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Old 12-18-2017, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Seattle WA, USA
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US would not care. Russia's army in Venezuela would not be a threat to anyone except to Venezuela's own people (see Cuba, Syria, Hungary, etc for examples)



I said in Ukraine. Crimea is not in Ukraine.
aren't you the one who says that Crimea belongs to Ukraine? Or am I confusing you with someone?
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Old 12-18-2017, 02:14 PM
 
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Simple. He's a very ambitious individual who has invested in many different ventures. Even if he doesn't full fill all of his promises, one cannot fault him for his lack of vision.
The US is full of such individuals.....Musk is not an exception...we have a lot of dreamers but with no capital...
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Old 12-18-2017, 02:16 PM
 
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And most of the tech is probably Finnish.
Why would Russia need finnish tech to build an icebreaker? Russians basically invented it and have been building them since the 11th century in the white sea.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koch_(boat)

And Russia is the only country with nuclear powered icebreakers. Maybe there is some Finnish tech involved but I don't think most of it is.
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Old 12-18-2017, 02:16 PM
 
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US would not care. Russia's army in Venezuela would not be a threat to anyone except to Venezuela's own people (see Cuba, Syria, Hungary, etc for examples)
The US would not care?? Are you serious?? LOL


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I said in Ukraine. Crimea is not in Ukraine.

If I recall correctly, we were talking about the Crimea referendum and its annexation.....
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Old 12-18-2017, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Finland
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And Russia is the only country with nuclear powered icebreakers. Maybe there is some Finnish tech involved but I don't think most of it is.
Everything except for the nuclear reactor.
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Old 12-18-2017, 04:30 PM
 
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It is really nice of Putin to acknowledge CIA's help to thwart terrorist plot targeted St Petersburg's Kazan Cathedral.
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Old 12-18-2017, 05:54 PM
 
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aren't you the one who says that Crimea belongs to Ukraine? Or am I confusing you with someone?
That could be me, though I’m not saying that I factually oppose the notion of Crimea being a part of Russia but the way it was achieved and the pretext used. The reality on the ground is that Crimea is a part of Russia now, since any person traveling there would see the difference.

Not sure if I’m that someone you were referring to.
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Old 12-18-2017, 06:18 PM
DKM
 
Location: California
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aren't you the one who says that Crimea belongs to Ukraine? Or am I confusing you with someone?
Confusing me with someone. The first time I went to Crimea, almost 10 years ago, I knew it was Russia. Ukraine should, in good faith, negotiate this fact with Russia and win some concessions in the process. In fact, they should have done this well before 2014 but they don't ask me.
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Old 12-18-2017, 06:40 PM
 
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Russians aren't stupid. Putin has a proven track record as does his people.
Unfortunately this is not the best "track record."
In fact we don't know TRUE percentage of people that are not thrilled with it, if not to say that they see his way as a dead end. ( After all, Putin's regime IS intertwined with western banking system and IS dependent on foreign investments.) The only things that save him so far are Putin international endeavors AND Russians being weary of any changes (they don't want anything to go awry, so as the Russian proverb has it - "better a chikadee in your hands than a crane in the sky."


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Could things be done differently? Perhaps. Who's got a better plan though? Russia is better off sticking to the path now.
Of course things can be done differently.
That's why I've posted the video of that guy earlier, talking about the problems of the agricultural sector in Russia.
He is yet another potential nominee for presidential candidate. ( That is if CPRF will support him, because from what I remember, he is NOT a member of the Communist party.) Zuganov of course wants to be a nominee from his party ( as usual,) and they (CPRF) are going to vote on that one on December 23 from what I remember. And of course Zuganov ( as usual) doesn't stand a chance in this race ( as much as Navalny and Sobchak,) because Russians consider him part of the establishment, that can't be seriously regarded as "opposition" to Putin.
But this particular person in the video is something different.
He is not a professional politician - he is a director of a... kolkhoz named after Lenin (out of places,) in Moscow region.
And, if to listen to some people that prepared this next reportage, "the whole Russia should prosper the way this kolkhoz does, if the bosses don't steal and don't keep stolen money in offshore accounts and foreign banks."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OmE059dvM0

(And this is Zuganov and other members of CPSU visiting the mentioned above kolkhoz as "oasis of socialism in the sea of corruption.")


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJahnWr4Utk

So when THIS person ( his name is Pavel Grudinin btw) is talking about corruption in the country, people are paying attention ( which is not a case with Sobchak and Navalny.)
Interestingly enough, I've learned about his existence NOT through the "left" channels ( although I do keep my eye on them as well,) but rather from totally different circles. He was "recommended" there as someone worthy of attention.
From what I saw/heard lately, he probably is.
He is looking at Russia's problems from rural perspective and he definitely has a plan for the country looking at things from THAT angle.
So it will be interesting to see what will come out of his campaign, but whatever it is, I think that post-Putin's Russia is not going to be what Washington would dream of- a government of Sobchaks and Navalny, but rather more left and and even more nationalist-oriented one.
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Old 12-19-2017, 12:22 PM
DKM
 
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Putin's deal with the Russian public is he runs a steady ship in return for a slice of the national wealth going to him and his cronies (corruption). His main justification for this is it would be worse with someone else in charge. He's sort of right, but this is easier to accept when there is enough money going around. Every Russian I know agrees with this.
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