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Originally Posted by Xplorer
And for everyone else... If we were to just pull out of Iraq, there would be a civil war! Then we would just in up right back over there.
YOU said: "Iraq is a FREE country now"
Are they not FREE to start a civil war if that's what they choose? Or do you just describe them as FREE when it's convenoent for you, whether it's true or not?
They are degrading people who wear their patriotism on their sleeve and think that blind-patriotism is a virtue, and that Bush is a saint....
Seriously, in my own eyes, you are an incredibly big piece of ***.
Really now?
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Originally Posted by Taboo2
Looks like someone needed to pay for college somehow and leveraged their soul to the military. The only people who join up are poor folks and fanatics. I have 2 in my family. So what??
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Originally Posted by djacques
Some redneck douchebag spouting a bunch of bumper sticker patriotic cliches does indeed "sum it all up"; "it" being the utter intellectual bankruptcy of the parasitic pro-war faction in American society.
Iraq: What would happen if the U.S. won a war but the media didn't tell the American public? Apparently, we have to rely on a British newspaper for the news that we've defeated the last remnants of al-Qaida in Iraq .
London's Sunday Times called it 'the culmination of one of the most spectacular victories of the war on terror.' A terrorist force that once numbered more than 12,000, with strongholds in the west and central regions of Iraq, has over two years been reduced to a mere 1,200 fighters, backed against the wall in the northern city of Mosul.
The destruction of al-Qaida in Iraq (AQI) is one of the most unlikely and unforeseen events in the long history of American warfare. We can thank President Bush's surge strategy, in which he bucked both Republican and Democratic leaders in Washington by increasing our forces there instead of surrendering.
We can also thank the leadership of the new general he placed in charge there, David Petraeus, who may be the foremost expert in the world on counter-insurgency warfare. And we can thank those serving in our military in Iraq who engaged local Iraqi tribal leaders and convinced them America was their friend and AQI their enemy.
Al-Qaida's loss of the hearts and minds of ordinary Iraqis began in Anbar Province, which had been written off as a basket case, and spread out from there.
Now, in Operation Lion's Roar the Iraqi army and the U.S. 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment is destroying the fraction of terrorists who are left. More than 1,000 AQI operatives have already been apprehended.
Sunday Times reporter Marie Colvin, traveling with Iraqi forces in Mosul, found little AQI presence even in bullet-ridden residential areas that were once insurgency strongholds, and reported that the terrorists have lost control of its Mosul urban base, with what is left of the organization having fled south into the countryside.
Meanwhile, the State Department reports that Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's government has achieved 'satisfactory' progress on 15 of the 18 political benchmarks 'a big change for the better from a year ago.'
Things are going so well that Maliki has even for the first time floated the idea of a timetable for withdrawal of American forces. He did so while visiting the United Arab Emirates, which over the weekend announced that it was forgiving almost $7 billion of debt owed by Baghdad, an impressive vote of confidence from a fellow Arab state in the future of a free Iraq.
But where are the headlines and the front-page stories about all this good news? As the Media Research Center pointed out last week, 'the CBS Evening News, NBC Nightly News and CNN's Anderson Cooper 360 were silent Tuesday night about the benchmarks 'that signaled political progress.'
The war in Iraq has been turned around180 degrees both militarily and politically because the president stuck to his guns. Yet apart from IBD, Fox News Channel and parts of the foreign press, the media don't seem to consider this historic event a big story."
Copyright 2008 Investor's Business Daily. All Rights Reserved.
Addendum: The reason you haven't seen this on American television or read about it in the American press is simple--journalism is 'dead' in this country. They are controlled by people who would rather see our troops defeated than recognize a successful Republican initiated response to 9/11. If this election goes the wrong way, we will have a real disaster on our hands.
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Originally Posted by Taboo2 Looks like someone needed to pay for college somehow and leveraged their soul to the military. The only people who join up are poor folks and fanatics. I have 2 in my family. So what??
Yeah.. No degrading.
I agree - he was not degrading our troops - he was referring to YOU...
And I also think that a large majority of people who join the military do so out of economic necessity. Neocons like Bush have deeply cut aid to colleges, with the result that students and their families are having to wipe out their life savings to send their children to college. Many students are completely priced out of college. So if you are one of these individuals, and the government holds out a signing-bonus and a promise of substantial college aid after you are done with your military obligation, many of these poorer Americans have little choice but to serve.
I personally think that Bush was a major player in engineering this situation so that there would be steady supply of volunteers for the military...
iraq: What would happen if the u.s. Won a war but the media didn't tell the american public? Apparently, we have to rely on a british newspaper for the news that we've defeated the last remnants of al-qaida in iraq .
London's sunday times called it 'the culmination of one of the most spectacular victories of the war on terror.' a terrorist force that once numbered more than 12,000, with strongholds in the west and central regions of iraq, has over two years been reduced to a mere 1,200 fighters, backed against the wall in the northern city of mosul.
The destruction of al-qaida in iraq (aqi) is one of the most unlikely and unforeseen events in the long history of american warfare. We can thank president bush's surge strategy, in which he bucked both republican and democratic leaders in washington by increasing our forces there instead of surrendering.
We can also thank the leadership of the new general he placed in charge there, david petraeus, who may be the foremost expert in the world on counter-insurgency warfare. And we can thank those serving in our military in iraq who engaged local iraqi tribal leaders and convinced them america was their friend and aqi their enemy.
Al-qaida's loss of the hearts and minds of ordinary iraqis began in anbar province, which had been written off as a basket case, and spread out from there.
Now, in operation lion's roar the iraqi army and the u.s. 3rd armored cavalry regiment is destroying the fraction of terrorists who are left. More than 1,000 aqi operatives have already been apprehended.
Sunday times reporter marie colvin, traveling with iraqi forces in mosul, found little aqi presence even in bullet-ridden residential areas that were once insurgency strongholds, and reported that the terrorists have lost control of its mosul urban base, with what is left of the organization having fled south into the countryside.
Meanwhile, the state department reports that iraqi prime minister nouri al-maliki's government has achieved 'satisfactory' progress on 15 of the 18 political benchmarks 'a big change for the better from a year ago.'
things are going so well that maliki has even for the first time floated the idea of a timetable for withdrawal of american forces. He did so while visiting the united arab emirates, which over the weekend announced that it was forgiving almost $7 billion of debt owed by baghdad, an impressive vote of confidence from a fellow arab state in the future of a free iraq.
But where are the headlines and the front-page stories about all this good news? As the media research center pointed out last week, 'the cbs evening news, nbc nightly news and cnn's anderson cooper 360 were silent tuesday night about the benchmarks 'that signaled political progress.'
the war in iraq has been turned around180 degrees both militarily and politically because the president stuck to his guns. Yet apart from ibd, fox news channel and parts of the foreign press, the media don't seem to consider this historic event a big story."
copyright 2008 investor's business daily. All rights reserved.
addendum: The reason you haven't seen this on american television or read about it in the american press is simple--journalism is 'dead' in this country. They are controlled by people who would rather see our troops defeated than recognize a successful republican initiated response to 9/11. If this election goes the wrong way, we will have a real disaster on our hands.
How honorable to use the military for political gain...
This war is based on a true lie. You need to face it already. Iraq is not our responsibility anymore.
I wonder if all of the families and loved ones of the victims of 9/11 think the war in Iraq is just? Do you think they do? I think they are probably pissed because we did not go after the people responsible for attacking us.
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Originally Posted by Ellwood
"Winning Isn't News
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY
Iraq: What would happen if the U.S. won a war but the media didn't tell the American public? Apparently, we have to rely on a British newspaper for the news that we've defeated the last remnants of al-Qaida in Iraq .
London's Sunday Times called it 'the culmination of one of the most spectacular victories of the war on terror.' A terrorist force that once numbered more than 12,000, with strongholds in the west and central regions of Iraq, has over two years been reduced to a mere 1,200 fighters, backed against the wall in the northern city of Mosul.
The destruction of al-Qaida in Iraq (AQI) is one of the most unlikely and unforeseen events in the long history of American warfare. We can thank President Bush's surge strategy, in which he bucked both Republican and Democratic leaders in Washington by increasing our forces there instead of surrendering.
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What this conveniently neglects to mention is that 5 years ago al Qaeda had no significant presence in Iraq and the 12,000 level was reached only after the US invasion. Up until that time Saddam had al Qaeda under control in Iraq. Bush is hardly due credit for extinguishing a fire he himself needlessly ignited.
Thankfully after so many years, there are less stupid ppl who believe the Iraq war is for the benefit of Americans.
Less, but still out there, as evident in this thread.
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