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Old 08-25-2008, 10:43 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Buffalo :-)
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I've got CNN on in the background after watching the DNC. Hearing every speculations of Obama not picking Hillary for VP, and the same old tired rerun for McCain of Clinton pre-conceding..... republicans (fox news influence), I'm sure were so set on trashing Hillary had she become the second female pursuing a Vice Presidency. Obama was smart for trumping the total right-wingers, though the skeptics are still fishing to find a fight within a party holding strong on being united.

Hillary may not have been given the VP nod, it doesn't mean she'll not find herself in a comfortable seat within an Obama administration. Perhaps she'll finally return to fighting a republican strong-hold in New York State. I'd like that! Since she's forgotten about us for the past year and a half (being her title as senator)

In my opinion, I think Clinton was happy to not get the VP pick.

Can't believe these people who are supposed to be "journalists" keep pushing speculation as truth.
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Old 08-26-2008, 12:44 AM
 
Location: Imaginary Figment
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The NYTs reported a couple days ago that Clinton asked not to be vetted unless she was to be the pick. That should be the end of the discussion, but the 24/7 media is more interested in "reality" tv scenarios and drama than actual journalism.
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Old 08-26-2008, 12:53 AM
 
Location: OC, CA
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If he is so smart, than why is EVERYONE that surrounds him miles and miles smarter and more politically in tune.

Its like, they name the college intern the company CEO; a person who is not nearly the most qualified to lead.
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Old 08-26-2008, 12:57 AM
 
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If he is so smart, than why is EVERYONE that surrounds him miles and miles smarter and more politically in tune.
To make a valid argument, you can't use your opinion as a barometer. You'd actually have to provide the readers with some sort of evidence to back you childish claims.
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Old 08-26-2008, 04:00 AM
 
Location: North Side of Indy, IN
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If he is so smart, than why is EVERYONE that surrounds him miles and miles smarter and more politically in tune.
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Old 08-26-2008, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Buffalo :-)
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The NYTs reported a couple days ago that Clinton asked not to be vetted unless she was to be the pick. That should be the end of the discussion, but the 24/7 media is more interested in "reality" tv scenarios and drama than actual journalism.
Thank you. The cable media wanted her to be his pick so they can tear her to shreds, I think both Hillary & Obama knew that, thus his pick was for Biden.... who can really trash Biden all that much? Without having any "news" they're trying to create this rift between Obama and Clinton.

Since conceding, she put all of her support behind Obama, and still does even without the VP nomination.
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Old 08-26-2008, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Wallace, Idaho
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In my opinion, I think Clinton was happy to not get the VP pick.
She never would have accepted it. She wanted top of the ticket or nothing.
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Old 08-26-2008, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Earth Wanderer, longing for the stars.
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Of course he's smart. He's a Rhodes scholar. What is McSame? A POW. How much smarts does it take to bomb civilians and get shot down and be held in a prison camp? He went through a horrendous experience, but that experience is not a prerequisite for the Presidency, in fact, I would say his experience clouded his judgment so that is all he can think of most of the time.
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Old 08-26-2008, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Rural Central Texas
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What is McSame? A POW. How much smarts does it take to bomb civilians and get shot down and be held in a prison camp?

Don't know. Give it a shot and tell us how you did. I imagine it is tougher than it sounds.
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Old 08-26-2008, 01:48 PM
 
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Don't know. Give it a shot and tell us how you did. I imagine it is tougher than it sounds.
It was tough for thousands of POWs, most of whom were not "special" or "a bargaining chip" to their captors, and many of whom were not considered "rehabilitated" enough to resume their previous duties by the Armed Forces within a year and a half of their release. (These are the ones who even made it home, of course - who were not forgotten.)

But dont you feel a little used when Johnny Mac, his campaign, his current supporters and, now that it's in their interest, the GOP continually shove his experience of 40 years ago into your face, challenging your knee-jerk patriotism - when he himself has said many times, "I have a reluctance to talk about my experiences?"

Doesnt it rather define his character that he doesnt mind using it when it suits his political purposes?
What McCain went through in the North Vietnamese POW camps is an unimaginable, unfathomable horror. The word "heroism" doesn't really capture it sufficiently. It is a singular experience, and it defies human nature to expect that it wouldn't have been the crucible through which McCain's essence was formed. But it's becoming a verbal tic, the equivalent of Rudy Giuliani's noun-verb-9/11. Does it honor or cheapen that experience to use it to bat away unrelated questions about, say, how many homes you own, or whether you truthfully entered a cone of debate-silence or what influences your musical taste? By bringing up the POW experience at opportunities like these, McCain is clearly trying to bait Obama into seeming to attack that experience. That's a really unfortunate move that's entirely beneath the character of a man who endured what McCain endured.
Spencer Ackerman at firedoglake

And at the same time they call on that same knee-jerk patriotism to "shame" you into excusing his equally character-defining Florida experiences, five years later?

I mean dont you see through this?
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