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Old 04-28-2008, 01:40 AM
 
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I disagree, I think it’s more like..., no way in hell the Clintons would like to be around the Obamas in a daily basis... I think to them it would be rather demeaning…
yeah it would demean the Clintons esp if the blacks dont wear gloves
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Old 04-28-2008, 06:58 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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This is a non-issue. If you are a superdelegate, you back the candidate who has the popular vote and the most delegates. Such a candidate represents the will of the voters of the Democratic party. To overturn the will of the people, would be stunningly anti-democratic.
But, but isn't that why the Democrat party has a superdelegate process to begin with...they want the ability to override the will of the people, otherwise why have them?
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Old 04-28-2008, 07:15 AM
 
Location: Tolland County- Northeastern CT
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If I where a Super delegate- and with training in Sociology and demographics see a problem not only for Clinton but one for Obama. Clinton has one just about every large industrial state- while Obama has Illinois, Wisconsin, Connecticut and many states in the south (with a large AA population) Obama has attracted younger voters, high income educated whites and AA- Clinton has shown a far greater breath demographically in attracting traditional Democrats- Obamas constituency harks back surprisingly to George McGovern's in 1972.

I would say include both Florida and Michigan since we do not want to be like the Republicans in stopping real democracy. Clinton thus far has shown she is better prepared to take on Mc Cain. Also Reverend Wright is becoming an even larger problem for Obama---

Clinton's problem is the alienation of many AA voters.

If the Super delegates truly want to win in the autumn, Clinton has shown she can win states the Democrats truly need.
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Old 04-28-2008, 07:54 AM
 
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clinton won in states where democrats are strong, and lost in swing states to a "junior"
senator; this is in the primaries not the GE.

for the Superdelegates, the equation is simple: loyalty vs destruction of the Party, new members and rejuvenation vs slow death under Gore and Kerry.
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Old 04-28-2008, 11:04 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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I would say include both Florida and Michigan since we do not want to be like the Republicans in stopping real democracy.
Can you give an example(s) of how republicans have stopped real democracy?
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Old 04-28-2008, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Charlotte
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If I where a Super delegate- and with training in Sociology and demographics see a problem not only for Clinton but one for Obama. Clinton has one just about every large industrial state- while Obama has Illinois, Wisconsin, Connecticut and many states in the south (with a large AA population) Obama has attracted younger voters, high income educated whites and AA- Clinton has shown a far greater breath demographically in attracting traditional Democrats- Obamas constituency harks back surprisingly to George McGovern's in 1972.

I would say include both Florida and Michigan since we do not want to be like the Republicans in stopping real democracy. Clinton thus far has shown she is better prepared to take on Mc Cain. Also Reverend Wright is becoming an even larger problem for Obama---

Clinton's problem is the alienation of many AA voters.

If the Super delegates truly want to win in the autumn, Clinton has shown she can win states the Democrats truly need.
What States has Clinton won that the Democrats
a. do not traditionally win.
b. the Democrats could not win without her.
c. and have included Independents in the Primary voting process.

Is it fair to 'disenfranchise' 48 States whose Governors followed the rules? (and the election Law)?
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Old 04-28-2008, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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As I like neither of the candidates I can see both points of view. If I were a superdelegate I would have to vote for the person I think more fit to be president. I don't vote for someone because I think they will be president I vote for them because I feel they would better lead our country. So trying to pressure someone to vote for a particular candidate is out of line. Nobody made you vote a certain way and nobody should force someone else to do the same.
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Old 04-28-2008, 03:06 PM
 
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As I like neither of the candidates I can see both points of view. If I were a superdelegate I would have to vote for the person I think more fit to be president. I don't vote for someone because I think they will be president I vote for them because I feel they would better lead our country. So trying to pressure someone to vote for a particular candidate is out of line. Nobody made you vote a certain way and nobody should force someone else to do the same.

LOl delegates will vote for the one who can help them get reelected
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