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Old 04-09-2008, 02:59 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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There is a growing consensus that Hillary Clinton needs to leave the race. She's running out of money and can't keep up with Obama in PA spending. He is outspending her 4 to 1 there and cutting into her lead each week. She MUST win PA handily to give the false impression that she is still a viable candidate to the spineless sucker superdelegates afraid to get off the fence and publically declare her dead by supporting the frontrunner Obama.

She may even LOSE PA, at which point the inevitable is obvious. But this hollow woman who vowed not to divide the party during these primaries (because she thought it would end in her favor quickly) is doing just that. She wants to drag on the voting, even though mathematically she can't win. If the will of the people as reflected in the popular vote and the delegate count favors Obama, she wants the superdelegates to overrule the will of the people and pick her. Is this the type of utter trash politics that we should have in the white house after the incredibly inept Bush? Absolutely not. We don't need any more Clintons with questionable character either.

Time for Hillary to concede. She won't though. She's not a quitter..she's a LOSER.
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Old 04-09-2008, 04:44 AM
 
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Default Obama Supporters in the Media and Politics Cherry Pick Polls

Public Opinion Polls are being used to encourage voters to go with a certain candidate. Those polls that were designed a certain way to give the impression that Obama is closing in on Clinton in the PA Primary are promoted in the pro Obama Media and are used as a form of advertisement. Polls that show Clinton with a strong lead are ignored. People are made to believe that Obama is winning and that influences their vote because they want to go with a winner. How much money a candidate spends should not influence who wins the election, it should go to the most qualified candidate.
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Old 04-09-2008, 06:23 AM
 
Location: Albemarle, NC
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It must be a day that ends in "y". Why? Another thread telling Hillary it's time to leave the race. We all know that neither candidate can get the nomination without the superdelegates. I think it's time for the Obama fans to just let it go. The convention is where it will be settled.
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Old 04-09-2008, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Alexandria, VA
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Public Opinion Polls are being used to encourage voters to go with a certain candidate. Those polls that were designed a certain way to give the impression that Obama is closing in on Clinton in the PA Primary are promoted in the pro Obama Media and are used as a form of advertisement. Polls that show Clinton with a strong lead are ignored. People are made to believe that Obama is winning and that influences their vote because they want to go with a winner. How much money a candidate spends should not influence who wins the election, it should go to the most qualified candidate.
Sure you are good at spinning - so you have about four public opinion polls that show the race in PA being tight but for some reason you want the fifth poll (which shows Hillary up by 18 points) to be considered. Hahaha, try again. What is clear here is that Hillary is gonna win PA but lose the nomination - too bad there's not a way to spin that.
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Old 04-09-2008, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Florida
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The Obama supporters seem to have cornered the market on arrogance. Why should she quit the race NOW when she does have a chance to win the nomination? To make it really easy for Obama? So, he's outspending Hillary....I recall a couple of the republican candidates outspending the others, too, and it wasn't McCain!
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Old 04-09-2008, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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She CAN win Don't give up HILL!!!!
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Old 04-09-2008, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Austin
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Public Opinion Polls are being used to encourage voters to go with a certain candidate. Those polls that were designed a certain way to give the impression that Obama is closing in on Clinton in the PA Primary are promoted in the pro Obama Media and are used as a form of advertisement. Polls that show Clinton with a strong lead are ignored. People are made to believe that Obama is winning and that influences their vote because they want to go with a winner. How much money a candidate spends should not influence who wins the election, it should go to the most qualified candidate.

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Old 04-09-2008, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Alexandria, VA
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The Obama supporters seem to have cornered the market on arrogance. Why should she quit the race NOW when she does have a chance to win the nomination? To make it really easy for Obama? So, he's outspending Hillary....I recall a couple of the republican candidates outspending the others, too, and it wasn't McCain!
It would be nice if you would back you words with some numbers....cited or uncited. For instance, at this point, i would say that Obama has over 80% chance of winning the nomination - leads in pledged del, pop. votes, # of states won and fundraising. That being said, there are only 10 contests left. What's your spin? If you really think Hillary is gonna get over 75% of the undecided Superdel at the end of the primaries while having only gotten 1 or 2 of them since Super Tuesday, you must be really living a fantasy then. Also, Hillary does wanna buy ads and all that stuff - unfortunately she can't, she doesn't have the money, she's broke. It's that simple. You can't claim that you are being outspent when it's clear that you are BROKE.
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Old 04-09-2008, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Albemarle, NC
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With 250 undeclared superdelegates out there, this race belongs to either. Stop trying to make claims otherwise. They will decide the nomination, not the people. They might go with the people, they might not. It's their decision to make. Stop fooling yourself that money matters. It doesn't. Mitt Romney knows that.
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Old 04-09-2008, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Florida
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It would be nice if you would back you words with some numbers....cited or uncited. For instance, at this point, i would say that Obama has over 80% chance of winning the nomination - leads in pledged del, pop. votes, # of states won and fundraising. ...
By your own estimate, doesn't that leave Hillary a 20% chance of winning the nomination? It's not over til it's over. And lots of things can happen between now and convention that could change the dynamics in this race.

Most of the blogs and pundits say she has only a 5 - 10% chance. However, I remember how Obama was going to blow her away in New Hampshire to the point of their sheer embarrassment.
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