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Ditto to those who claim to be Bernie supporters. You have only served to push people away.
The only people we've pushed away are people who think that Hillary was entitled to the nomination because she's a woman and DWS anointed her.
As a Hillary supporter, do you have to defend Bill Clinton scrounging for votes illegally at the polls in Massachusetts?
Just say, "I don't like it, looks fishy, but it wasn't Hillary, and I still like her because A, B, and C."
Instead, it's "Lie, deny, obfuscate, spin, lie some more."
For crying out loud, Bill Clinton was elected after a famous sit down mea culpa with Hillary Clinton on national TV. People love to forgive. We've all made mistake. But people absolutely detest liars and double talk, especially of the unrepentant arrogant sort. For God's sake, just admit that what happened happened, that it wasn't a big deal, and move on. At some point I start to wonder where the culture of corruption around Hillary's campaign originates. I mean, I'm basically left with two broad options. She's a decent person for whom a dishonest campaign has been created by unscrupulous political operatives, or it starts with her and Bill. I'm not sure I like either option.
Earlier I was going to say Bill was stupid to risk being arrested only to add a handful of voters for wife, but looking at the chart you posted, 3409 vs. 3408, wow! He could have made a difference.
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Do you ever stop and ask yourself why people detest Hillary and her supporters so much? Do words like honest and trust mean anything to you at all? Just own up to what you do, especially when people are willing to say they think it's no big deal, and move on. Don't lie, obfuscate, spin, etc.
^^^^^ This is exactly what I had wanted to say, but you said it better. I was going to say, if I were a voter at the poll and Bill Clinton approached me, I would tell him that I was not voting for Hillary; I hope he would ask me why...
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Originally Posted by unwillingphoenician
A word of advice to you and your Hillary cohorts: You are absolutely the most disagreeable prejudiced group of people I have run into in my life supporting a political candidate. You leave no room, zero, for anybody to get past Hillary's myriad problems, because you deny them all, lie, and try to spin everything. I know that you think you're playing some important role in her candidacy, but all I can say is, "Wow." You need to add a little humility and honesty to your bag of tricks. It goes a long way with people.
Again, thanks for saying that. Exactly my thought, except my words would not have been so "controlled".
The only people we've pushed away are people who think that Hillary was entitled to the nomination because she's a woman and DWS anointed her.
As a Hillary supporter, do you have to defend Bill Clinton scrounging for votes illegally at the polls in Massachusetts?
Just say, "I don't like it, looks fishy, but it wasn't Hillary, and I still like her because A, B, and C."
Instead, it's "Lie, deny, obfuscate, spin, lie some more."
For crying out loud, Bill Clinton was elected after a famous sit down mea culpa with Hillary Clinton on national TV. People love to forgive. We've all made mistake. But people absolutely detest liars and double talk, especially of the unrepentant arrogant sort. For God's sake, just admit that what happened happened, that it wasn't a big deal, and move on. At some point I start to wonder where the culture of corruption around Hillary's campaign originates. I mean, I'm basically left with two broad options. She's a decent person for whom a dishonest campaign has been created by unscrupulous political operatives, or it starts with her and Bill. I'm not sure I like either option.
That is absolutely not true and I am tired of hearing it from Bernie supporters. I expect to hear that kind of tripe from the far right but NOT from someone who calls themselves a progressive.
Bernie Bros online have done more to turn people off than anything I have ever seen. I constantly have to keep reminding myself that I actually LIKE Bernie but cannot stand his holier-than-thou-vote-with-your-vagina voters.
I have my own concerns about Bernie's platforms. Let's remember - he will need Hillary voters if he wins the nomination and he absolutely cannot win a general without that crossover.
I would like Bernie so much more had I never come into contact with his rabid fan base.
That is absolutely not true and I am tired of hearing it from Bernie supporters. I expect to hear that kind of tripe from the far right but NOT from someone who calls themselves a progressive.
Bernie Bros online have done more to turn people off than anything I have ever seen. I constantly have to keep reminding myself that I actually LIKE Bernie but cannot stand his holier-than-thou-vote-with-your-vagina voters.
I have my own concerns about Bernie's platforms. Let's remember - he will need Hillary voters if he wins the nomination and he absolutely cannot win a general without that crossover.
I would like Bernie so much more had I never come into contact with his rabid fan base.
I'm pretty sure I could swap out Hillary for Bernie and we would be in agreement. Except that I DON'T like her.
Holy cow. Bill Clinton looks and sounds as if his days are numbered (sorry to say that). He almost seems like a stranger to me--but behind the frail look, we know the slicky nature remains and could only be worse. Conparing to 74 year old Bernie, Bill looks like a centenarian.
(does anyone know what's wrong with him? I hope he has Obamacare )
Dems love illegal actions. The ends justify the means people. They will walk over your suffering body in order to achieve their goals.
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