Can a Republican Win 270 Electoral Votes in 2016...or Ever? (wage, thought, radical)
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Pres Obama was arguably crappy candidate too. After an initial stratospheric approval rating he settled into sub-50 pct approval for most of his first term. But he ran a good campaign. His use of Hollywood was especially effective among the youth vote. That's how we got to where we are.
President Obama was not a bad candidate, Approval ratings are based on an average, If Republicans as a whole give him a 19% approval then of course his average is going to be low.
Romney was a crappy candidate, agreed. However, he was a head and shoulders above the other clowns. That was truly a parade of fools. Therein lies the problem with the GOP.
Well I might slightly disagree with you on that, but it is over and what happen in 2012 is just that; we will see what happens in 2016. I think the Republicans have a lot of good, young talent. I might not agree with everything those youngsters stand for, but they are a new and exciting bunch. I know, you are to the left and not much that Republicans have to say will change your mind.
19 states blue since 1988, plus NM and VA, gone blue now due to demographics long-term start Dems at about 260.
21 DEPOPULATED GOP states red since 1988 give them 180. (GOP needs to get bison a vote, or the Plains is a big so what!!)
Lets see, if one starts with just 10 to go, 1 with 90 to go, 10 or so swing states, how hard is it to get 10? Strategy: Advertise full-tilt in all ten, and force GOP to run the table. Essentially, GOP odds of 270 are 1/2 to the 10th power..that would be 1 in 1,024. They must win ten of ten swing states.
You do not know a heck of a lot about NM or you wouldn't make a comment about demographics. NM has been majority, minority for centuries and they have always been on the fence. Sometimes they vote Republican for President, other times Democrat. if you think they have swung, tell us how they elected a very conservative female to be their governor? VA is also borderline. You can't take the outcome of one or two elections and think that is how the state will continue to trend...
You do not know a heck of a lot about NM or you wouldn't make a comment about demographics. NM has been majority, minority for centuries and they have always been on the fence. Sometimes they vote Republican for President, other times Democrat. if you think they have swung, tell us how they elected a very conservative female to be their governor? VA is also borderline. You can't take the outcome of one or two elections and think that is how the state will continue to trend...
75-25 Latino in 2012. Game-changer. Get out of your 20th century, "passe" mindset. As for Va, it is blue forever now. NOVA has had all the population growth, and those conservative Southern Virginians are now an overwhelmed minority of the population. NOVA is going to keep growing, making 2016 Va a wider Dem plurality than 2012, and by 2024, Va will be as blue a state as Ct.
The GOP MUST win some of the 19 blue since 1988, or it is not a relevent party for POTUS..long-term.
75-25 Latino in 2012. Game-changer. Get out of your 20th century, "passe" mindset. As for Va, it is blue forever now. NOVA has had all the population growth, and those conservative Southern Virginians are now an overwhelmed minority of the population. NOVA is going to keep growing, making 2016 Va a wider Dem plurality than 2012, and by 2024, Va will be as blue a state as Ct.
The GOP MUST win some of the 19 blue since 1988, or it is not a relevent party for POTUS..long-term.
In other words, the GOP needs to start appealing to the Upper Midwestern states more. They have more to gain by dumping their rhetoric on hating welfare and those that use it than by embracing gay marriage when the older people get, the more involved in voting they get. Gay marriage is a winner in the west coast and New England, being pro labor would get you the purple states back.
In other words, the GOP needs to start appealing to the Upper Midwestern states more. They have more to gain by dumping their rhetoric on hating welfare and those that use it than by embracing gay marriage when the older people get, the more involved in voting they get. Gay marriage is a winner in the west coast and New England, being pro labor would get you the purple states back.
In reality, all the GOP needs to do is get in front of allowing Dems define who they are and what they stand for. Your post is a perfect example. See the bold portion. The GOP may want to reform entitlements, but when or where have you heard a single Republican saying they "hate people that use welfare?" Simply put, you haven't. It is just rhetoric from left to paint the GOP as old, white, anti-everything. What about the large section of the GOP caucus that is fiscally conservative, but socially liberal? That is how I identify, and there are many more like me. Why is it that liberals only seem to celebrate diversity and individualism when it applies to their own party/ideology but are convinced that it cannot/does not exist elsewhere?
become competitive in some of New England, and the corridor just below it, too. To cede both the west coast plus union states east coast, adding in Pa, Oh, Va, that is game,set, match.
Christie has proven a Repub who is fiscally conservative, but socially not radical, can win NJ.
The GOP needs to take the backwards rural regions for granted-they own them, no matter what, and appeal to the moderate regions which could swing either way, if a non radical platform and campaign rhetoric to match were presented. No 47% comments, no self deportation, no hate the poor as if they are all our ills campaign, no 9-9-9, no "I am not a witch", No Paul not sure how you feel about desegration comments, etc.
The sane wing of the GOP must destroy the radical elements.
75-25 Latino in 2012. Game-changer. Get out of your 20th century, "passe" mindset. As for Va, it is blue forever now. NOVA has had all the population growth, and those conservative Southern Virginians are now an overwhelmed minority of the population. NOVA is going to keep growing, making 2016 Va a wider Dem plurality than 2012, and by 2024, Va will be as blue a state as Ct.
The GOP MUST win some of the 19 blue since 1988, or it is not a relevent party for POTUS..long-term.
For heaven's sake, you can't, nor can I say, with any certainty any state is this or that and will never change. I am not in the 20th century;;have you even lived in NM? Do you have any ideas about the political make up? Or course you don't. It has been about the same for decades. They did support Bush in 2004, but for the most part, when it comes to national politics NM hasn't just recently changed, they have always leaned Democrat but not liberal particularly and the state has been predominantly Hispanic for generations. What would you have said, in the 80s about VA when they were almost solid conservative or AR until this past election? Your views are based on one thing: your wishes.
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The sane wing of the GOP must destroy the radical elements.
I'm honestly not sure what the "sane wing" even is anymore. Does it still exist?
The GOP claims to be about freedom, fiscal responsibility, and all that jazz that pretty much everyone could get behind. But then look at the candidates that run and the policies they actually endorse - it's a freak show of big government fanatics who want to invade everyone's private lives, overt racists and bigots, and people who think that fiscal responsibility means slashing revenue while proposing massive new spending.
If they actually embraced limited government and personal freedom, they'd be a lot closer to being competitive. If they toned down the divisive us vs them rhetoric and the demonization of everyone who isn't a heterosexual white Christian, they could actually win. The Republican party can't win the White House by alienating blacks, hispanics, gay people, anyone capable of basic addition and subtraction, and people who believe in that crazy idea that freedom means freedom for everyone and that limited government does not mean forcing unnecessary medical procedures on people.
[quote=nmnita;31110099]For heaven's sake, you can't, nor can I say, with any certainty any state is this or that and will never change. " (quote]
Baloney. Contrary to popular belief, science matters..demographics matter. As a fiscally conservative leaning Republican most of the time,the "stick your head in the sand , ignore all problems" types are why the party cannot compete for POTUS. We MUST stop dismissing stats simply because the storyline is not to our liking. That is ignorant. It is also accepting defeat as unchangeable.
Ceding 19 states with 90% of the required 270, and 2 more due to demographics that pushes the 90% past 95% is a certain losing proposition.The solution rests with winning back some of the 19, and that means a NEW more moderate platform and candidates who actually espouse moderation during the years leading up to elections, as well as election season.
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