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Old 10-24-2012, 09:11 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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I do remember Romney calling Russia a threat to America, so if that one is untrue, its a little hard to find the rest of the list credible.
No, it's TRUE. He called Russia America's #1 geopolitical threat, in an interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer. Mitt specifically used those words. Wolf followed up with a "what about Iran and North Korea" question and Mitt said they were very important, but he still backed what he said about Russia.

Also, Mitt Romney plays this semantics game. He did NOT want government giving loans to the auto makers. He wanted BANKS giving loans to automakers with government GUARANTEEING those loans but not offering those loans themselves. The problem was that no bank WOULD write loans to the automakers, as they were going under themselves. Where Obama mispoke was in not stipulating that it was government OFFERING the loans that Romney was opposed to. Leaving the wording nonspecific let Mitt claim that he was for government saving the auto industry by acting as if the government GUARANTEES of bank loans would have saved them. Mitt was misleading the public because even GM's vice chairman admitted that NO BANK was offering them loans and the ONLY loan they could get was from the government, and without that government loan, the industry would have folded. But Mitt tries to snow the public and still stand by a plan of his that would have folded the auto industry, a plan that was AGAINST government loans to the auto industry but which he shades the details enough to claim he was for government "helping" the auto industry. The kind of government help in Mitt's plan would have folded the industry. The kind of help Obama gave that Mitt opposed is what saved the industry.

Just be aware there is a lot of wordsmithing in these fact checks, as there is in what Romney says. He says things in a way to hide the truth- like his claim that he doesn't have a $5 trillion tax cut. He DOES, it's just that cutting deductions offsets some of the $5 trillion so that the NET is less than $5 trillion. But the 20% rate cut that he proposes IS equivalent to $5 trillion over 10 years. But being nonspecific and vague gives him the ability to claim that he doesn't have any $5 trillion tax cut. He DOES have a $5 trillion tax rate cut, he just doesn't have a $5 trillion NET tax cut. But he doesn't want to explain that truth to the public, he wants to shade it so he can make a misleading claim, same as with the auto bailout issue. Mitt intentionally shades his policy stances so he can make misleading claims that he thinks will get him votes.
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Old 10-24-2012, 09:15 AM
 
Location: NC
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He called it a geopolitical threat and in the same paragraph cited Iran as the greatest threat. Nice to see you parroting Oblama's distortions though.
Sorry, Wolf Blitzer asked those questions in a live interview. There was no paragraph.

CNN REPLAYED the interview during their post-debate check and rated Obama's claim TRUE.

Both made untrue statements. However, claiming only one side lied is a complete lack of self-credibility and honor. Very sad that many Americans on both sides of the isle had become like this. The saying of 50 years ago a hand shake meant something. Today it means someone is about to stab you in the back...
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Old 10-24-2012, 09:16 AM
 
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He called it a geopolitical threat and in the same paragraph cited Iran as the greatest threat.
It wasn't a paragraph of a speech, it was an INTERVIEW with Wolf Blitzer. And in the INTERVIEW, Iran wasn't in the same response to Wolf's question. It was actually in a FOLLOWUP (wth) question.

He called Russia THE NUMBER ONE geopolitical threat, and when he had finished his explanation, Wolf Blitzer followed up asking him a "what about THESE GUYS" question, and Mitt adjusted his answer to say they were important and Iran was the greatest national security threat, but re-stated that Russia IS the NUMBER ONE geopolitical threat. He doubled down on his bad answer. Much like his auto bailout bad plan.
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Old 10-24-2012, 09:29 AM
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I love how you lefties twist the truth as far as you can to try and make people believe you.



Romney spoke again to CNN’s Blitzer in July. Romney’s campaign pointed us to this exchange:

Blitzer: "The last time you and I spoke in an interview, you told me that Russia was America’s No. 1 geostrategic foe. Do you still believe that?"

Romney: "There's no question but that in terms of geopolitics -- I’m talking about votes at the United Nations and actions of a geopolitical nature -- Russia is the No. 1 adversary in that regard. That doesn't make them an enemy. It doesn’t make them a combatant. They don't represent the No. 1 national security threat. The No. 1 national security threat, of course, to our nation is a nuclear Iran. Time continues to pass. They continue to move towards nuclearization. This is more and more disconcerting and dangerous to the world. But Russia -- particularly look at a place like Syria. Russia has supported the Assad regime even as it has been attacking its own people. Russia likewise has been slow to move to the kinds of sanctions that have been called for in Iran. Russia is a geopolitical adversary, but it's not an enemy with, you know, missiles being fired at one another or things of that nature."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ur-no-1-enemy/




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Obama wrongly claimed Romney called Russia the “biggest geopolitical threat facing America.†Actually, Romney called Russia a “foe†and not a “threat.†He said “the greatest threat that the world faces is a nuclear Iran.â€
FactCheck.org : False Claims in Final Debate
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Old 10-24-2012, 09:38 AM
 
Location: NC
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It is amazing people are arguing over threat versus foe as a definition, even in fact checkers. Reminds me of Clinton and "Is."

Bottomline was Romney was criticizing Russia first, then when asked in follow up by Wolf about the "other" countries, Romney corrected and said "yes those other countries are a major problem too."

So what Obama said is basically true, and that Romney is correct in somewhat self-corrected right after the statement to say "those other countries are problems too."

IMHO, Romney shouldn't have even brought up Russia with China doing the same stances. Was a political miscue on his part that won't connect with the American populace.
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Old 10-24-2012, 09:46 AM
J24
 
Location: Portland, OR
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It is amazing people are arguing over threat versus foe as a definition, even in fact checkers. Reminds me of Clinton and "Is."

Bottomline was Romney was criticizing Russia first, then when asked in follow up by Wolf about the "other" countries, Romney corrected and said "yes those other countries are a major problem too."

So what Obama said is basically true, and that Romney is correct in somewhat self-corrected right after the statement to say "those other countries are problems too."

IMHO, Romney shouldn't have even brought up Russia with China doing the same stances. Was a political miscue on his part that won't connect with the American populace.

You've got to be kidding. The conversation was about Obama telling Medvedev that he'd have more flexibility after the election. In which Romney did say "This is without question our No. 1 geopolitical foe. They fight for every cause for the world's worst actors. The idea that he has more flexibility in mind for Russia is very, very troubling indeed," because they were talking about Russia and Obama's statement!

Blitzer asked Romney if he thought Russia is a bigger foe than Iran, China or North Korea.

"I'm saying in terms of a geopolitical opponent, the nation that lines up with the world's worst actors," Romney said. "Of course the greatest threat that the world faces is a nuclear Iran, and a nuclear North Korea is already troubling enough.


Clearly they were speaking about Russia and Obama's statement to begin with. He didn't call them our #1 enemy. And he didn't mention Iran then because he was speaking about a GEOPOLITICAL FOE, not ENEMIES. The "follow up question" by Blitzer was for clarification, which Romney gave.
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Old 10-24-2012, 09:50 AM
 
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Romney spoke again to CNN’s Blitzer in July. Romney’s campaign pointed us to this exchange:

Blitzer: "The last time you and I spoke in an interview, you told me that Russia was America’s No. 1 geostrategic foe. Do you still believe that?"

Romney: "There's no question but that in terms of geopolitics -- I’m talking about votes at the United Nations and actions of a geopolitical nature -- Russia is the No. 1 adversary in that regard. That doesn't make them an enemy. It doesn’t make them a combatant. They don't represent the No. 1 national security threat.
More Romney conflating issues to trick people. That is saying Russia is the #1 geopolitical foe. He then speaks in terms of military combatants and enemies. He then talks about national security threats. But STILL he placed them as the #1 geopolitcal foe, the #1 geopolitical adversary, which STILL proves that he doesn't know what he's talking about. Even COLIN POWELL has said, (and he was Secretary of State AFTER a distinguished military career) that Romney was way off the mark with that statement. Powell knows the difference between geopolitical foe, combatant, and national security threat. And even HE said Romney missed the mark claiming Russia is our #1 geopolitical foe. His specific words were "Come on governor, THINK."
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Old 10-24-2012, 09:52 AM
 
Location: NC
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You've got to be kidding. The conversation was about Obama telling Medvedev that he'd have more flexibility after the election. In which Romney did say "This is without question our No. 1 geopolitical foe. They fight for every cause for the world's worst actors. The idea that he has more flexibility in mind for Russia is very, very troubling indeed," because they were talking about Russia and Obama's statement!

Blitzer asked Romney if he thought Russia is a bigger foe than Iran, China or North Korea.

"I'm saying in terms of a geopolitical opponent, the nation that lines up with the world's worst actors," Romney said. "Of course the greatest threat that the world faces is a nuclear Iran, and a nuclear North Korea is already troubling enough.


Clearly they were speaking about Russia and Obama's statement to begin with. He didn't call them our #1 enemy. And he didn't mention Iran then because he was speaking about a GEOPOLITICAL FOE, not ENEMIES. The "follow up question" by Blitzer was for clarification, which Romney gave.
See, my point exactly. People are quibbling over one out of context statement with another one by the other candidate.

My point, and CNN's point in their fact check, is that Romney did heavily criticize Russia during those couple weeks that got a lot of international blow back if you remember. He did correct to Iran and NK being threats and went on to explain his position. Obama in the debate pointed out that position in calling Russia out (who cares if its threat versus foe, as both most Americans and Russians don't see a difference, right or wrongly) first before the other countries. Romney tried to score political points in the primaries that somewhat backfired on the international stage. Of course Americans don't care about the international backfire because we are Americans. The End.
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Old 10-24-2012, 04:40 PM
 
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He called it a geopolitical threat and in the same paragraph cited Iran as the greatest threat. Nice to see you parroting Oblama's distortions though.

No...He called Russia the most dangerous geopolitical threat. It was ONLY after Wolf Blitzer asked in amazement that he would say Russia is the most dangers over Iran. Thats when Willard the typical on his feet flip flopper studdered then included but Iran is the greatest threat. If your going to correct someone, make sure you get it right.
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Old 10-24-2012, 05:51 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, California
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Link: Obama Losing Post-Debate Fact Check Battle

Yup. Thank God we only have two more weeks left until we can fire this lying failure Obama.
Little quick on the up-take.

What happens if Romney loses this election? This entire election season was his to command yet gaffe after gaffe he's blundered and squandered what opportunity he's had to absolutely hammer Obama.

Don't get wrong - Obama isn't a shining knight in armor either, but there's nothing saying that Romney will in fact become the next President of the United States.
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