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Old 08-04-2012, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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13 states and DC above 50%.

Thirteen States and D.C. Give Obama Majority Approval

16 state under 40%.

Some KEY states under in the mid-low 40s = NM, NC, OH, CO, NH. 4 of these 5 obama was said to have a lock on.

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The 50% approval mark is significant because post-World War II incumbent presidents who have been above 50% job approval on Election Day were easily re-elected. Presidents with approval ratings below 50% have more uncertain re-election prospects.
He's definitely running against history, not only in his approval ratings but ALL economic indicators.
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Old 08-04-2012, 01:42 PM
 
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It's a choice between Obama and Romney. Bush's approval rating was below 50% nationally in 2004, yet he won reelection.

No one knows what's going to happen, but at this point, things look better for Obama than for Romney.

Michael Tomasky on the (Possible) Coming Obama Landslide - The Daily Beast
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Old 08-04-2012, 04:56 PM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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And BTW, consider the "source", since besides generally being the less-populated ones (with fewer electoral votes), most of the states expressing their "disapproval" aren't exactly representative of our "best and brightest"...

Red State USA: Poor, Scared, Less Educated, and Left Behind
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Old 08-04-2012, 05:47 PM
 
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And BTW, consider the "source", since besides generally being the less-populated ones (with fewer electoral votes), most of the states expressing their "disapproval" aren't exactly representative of our "best and brightest"...

Red State USA: Poor, Scared, Less Educated, and Left Behind
I guess you are proof that not every one in a blue state is educated.....

And, as usual, you paint with a broad brush regarding who is voting for what

Studies have shown that there are more overall college educated voting Republicans than Democrats

Of course, you are a Democrat, so facts that surface beneath the usual talking points that the left has told you and indoctrinated you with are lost on you
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Old 08-04-2012, 09:04 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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It's a choice between Obama and Romney. Bush's approval rating was below 50% nationally in 2004, yet he won reelection.

No one knows what's going to happen, but at this point, things look better for Obama than for Romney.

Michael Tomasky on the (Possible) Coming Obama Landslide - The Daily Beast
Citing a raving lunatic liberal like Tomasky? Please.

No, his approval rating was not below 50% throughout 2004.

Presidential Approval Ratings -- George W. Bush

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And BTW, consider the "source", since besides generally being the less-populated ones (with fewer electoral votes), most of the states expressing their "disapproval" aren't exactly representative of our "best and brightest"...

Red State USA: Poor, Scared, Less Educated, and Left Behind
The "source" is GALLUP;

All of the key battleground states have him under 50%
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Old 08-04-2012, 09:25 PM
 
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It's a choice between Obama and Romney. Bush's approval rating was below 50% nationally in 2004, yet he won reelection.

No one knows what's going to happen, but at this point, things look better for Obama than for Romney.

Michael Tomasky on the (Possible) Coming Obama Landslide - The Daily Beast
Looking better for Obama? You have got to be kidding. That is like saying that the Titanic will sink in 2hrs, rather than 1.5 hrs. The result is inevitable and the election is already lost for the libs. To their dismay, they are also losing the Senate, due to Obama's incompetence.


Obama is presiding over the worst economy since the great depression.

1. Voters now blame Obama for the lack of recovery (not Bush)

2. The economy is the most important issue for voters

3. Obama has failed on the economy

4. Any poll of "likely voters" shows Romney leading by a wide margin

5. People will not go to the polls and vote for someone they prefer over issue #13. They are voting for the man that is best suited to help the US economy. Romney wins hands down in that area.

6. A viable incumbent should have a very comfortable lead at this time- Obama is losing in all polls of "likely voters".

7. The independents have left Obama

8. No McCain voter will vote for Obama

9. MANY Obama voters from 2008 will vote for Romney

10. The minority and young vote, which showed up in record numbers in 2008, will not vote to the same degree in 2012- they are unemployed and are less enthusiastic.



Romney wins for sure, but it is beginning to look like a landslide victory. Bo is gone. You, as a liberal, will deny that you ever thought Bo could win ( in spite of your current contention). ALL LIBERALS, after an Obama loss, will say that they "knew it all along".

Liberals are all faculty members of the Institute for Advanced Hindsight, in which all past events can be "predicted" with 100% accuracy.
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Old 08-07-2012, 09:59 PM
 
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It's a choice between Obama and Romney. Bush's approval rating was below 50% nationally in 2004, yet he won reelection.
When incubments run for re-election, it generally is a referendum on the incumbent.

W's approval was 53% at the time of the election among those who voted, according to exit polling.

CNN.com Election 2004

He received only 51% of the vote (he underperformed his approval in terms of the percent of the vote he received) despite Kerry being seen as a weak candidate.

His approval was lower earlier in 2004, yes.

The last incumbent president running for re-election to overperform his approval in terms of the percent of the vote he received was Carter in 1980...and we know how that election turned out. I am talking nationally but I doubt it would be drastically different state by state.

Of course Obama's approval could come up, but I don't think it's likely to come up signficantly. Nevertheless, I actually think Obama has a slightly greater than 50% chance of being re-elected, though I am not sure why I think that when I look at his approval.

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Old 08-07-2012, 10:04 PM
 
Location: Texas
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And BTW, consider the "source", since besides generally being the less-populated ones (with fewer electoral votes), most of the states expressing their "disapproval" aren't exactly representative of our "best and brightest"...

Red State USA: Poor, Scared, Less Educated, and Left Behind
Guess what? Those with Bachelor's degrees lean Republican and high school dropouts lean Democrat compared to the electorate as a whole, as I've told you multiple times yet you don't give a damn and ignore actual data on who votes for who because you just hate "the other side" so much and can't actually talk about the issues. (Yes, those with postgraduate education lean Democrat.) Look at these exit polls:

Local Exit Polls - Election Center 2008 - Elections & Politics from CNN.com

Senate, House, Governor Races - Election Center 2010 - Elections & Politics from CNN.com

As far as income (not that people with lower incomes are inferior to those with higher incomes; I thought it was you liberals were supposedly supportive of the poor and that conservatives are the ones who are "anti-poor"), in 2008, Obama won those making less than $50,000 by 22 points, yet Obama and McCain tied among those making $50,000-$100,000 and $100,000 and over. In the 2010 House elections, those making less than $30,000 voted for Democrats over Republicans by 17 points, yet those making $200,000 or more voted for Republicans over Democrats by 30 points.

BTW - the "source" of the approval data, as sanrene mentioned, is Gallup. Moreover, it's the red states/reddish purple states that people have been moving to lately. Compare the recent changes in population growth state by state.

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Old 08-07-2012, 10:27 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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I guess you are proof that not every one in a blue state is educated.....

And, as usual, you paint with a broad brush regarding who is voting for what

Studies have shown that there are more overall college educated voting Republicans than Democrats

Of course, you are a Democrat, so facts that surface beneath the usual talking points that the left has told you and indoctrinated you with are lost on you
Do you know what a Phyrric victory is? It was mentioned in the article.
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Old 08-07-2012, 10:41 PM
 
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Must. Not. Make. Snide. Comment. About. Using. Big. Words. Around. Conservatives....
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