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Old 05-30-2012, 09:08 PM
 
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Planned Parenthood endorsed President Obama, anyone see a conflict of interest in an entity who receives hundreds of millions in taxpayer money, endorsing a president and then buying advertising on his behalf?

Isnt this pretty much taxpayer money being used to campaign?
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Old 05-30-2012, 10:57 PM
 
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Where is the Democratic outrage? crickets....
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Old 05-31-2012, 06:55 AM
 
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Where is the Democratic outrage? crickets....
Huh? There is no outrage because nothing outrageous has been committed.

If you think this is a conflict of interest, what, exactly, is the conflict?

From the legal dictionary:

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A term used to describe the situation in which a public official or fiduciary who, contrary to the obligation and absolute duty to act for the benefit of the public or a designated individual, exploits the relationship for personal benefit, typically pecuniary.
An example of a real conflict of interest is if a U.S. Senator, (like Al D'Mato) has certain influence over U.S. government spending and steers business to his brother, who ordinarily wouldn't be eligible to get U.S. government business. The Senator has a fiduciary responsibility to the U.S. and that interest is in conflict with his personal interest.

Planned Parenthood is a private institution and has a mission for existing. It has no legal duty to anyone else or any other cause. As such, it can absolutely favor candidates that agree with their causes.

Calling this "conflict of interest" is absurd.

What the OP is confusing is thinking that making any decision in your own interest is somehow a conflict, which is preposterous. Moreover, in Planned Parenthood's judgment, President Obama serves the interests of Planned Parenthood's causes better than Mitt Romney. They're well within their rights to endorse him.

If it's a conflict anytime a group supports anyone that acts in their interest, all those corporations funneling money to Romney will need to take it back.

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Old 05-31-2012, 07:01 AM
 
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Huh? What, exactly, is the conflict?

From the legal dictionary:

Planned Parenthood is a private institution and has a mission for existing. It has no legal duty to anyone else or any other cause. As such, it can absolutely favor candidates that agree with their causes.

Calling this "conflict of interest" is absurd.

What the OP is confusing is thinking that making any decision in your own interest is somehow a conflict, which is preposterous. Moreover, in Planned Parenthood's judgment, President Obama serves the interests of Planned Parenthood's causes better than Mitt Romney. They're well within their rights to endorse him.

If it's a conflict anytime a group supports anyone that acts in their interest, all those corporations funneling money to Romney will need to take it back.
Wait, didnt you just leave a thread discussing Fox News? Does Fox News get taxpayer money?

I see, you have absolutely no problem with conflicts of interest provided they support your candidate.

I wonder if you'd be ok with the US Army buying advertising saying we should invade Iran, or that we need to build more bombers, so call your Senator to request more fundng.. Somehow I doubt it..

Hypocrite..
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Old 05-31-2012, 07:08 AM
 
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Wait, didnt you just leave a thread discussing Fox News? Does Fox News get taxpayer money?
As the law professor in "The Paper Chase" said, "your mind is a bowl of mush" -- don;t mix everything unsavory up as if it is one thing.

Something can be wrong while not being a conflict of interest, which has a specific meaning. Fox News is supposed to be a news organization. They should report unbiased news or they devolve into a propaganda network. That has nothing to do with conflict of interest.
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Old 05-31-2012, 07:16 AM
 
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As the law professor in "The Paper Chase" said, "your mind is a bowl of mush" -- don;t mix everything unsavory up as if it is one thing.

Something can be wrong while not being a conflict of interest, which has a specific meaning. Fox News is supposed to be a news organization. They should report unbiased news or they devolve into a propaganda network. That has nothing to do with conflict of interest.
Definition of conflict of interest:
  1. clash between requirements or implications: a conflict between the public and private interests of somebody in an official position, or conflicts between a number of public positions
That pretty much sums up Planned Parenthood using taxpayer money, to campaign on behalf of the President.

You'd be jumping up and down if this was a right wing group, and you know dam well thats true.

When are you going to call for it to stop MTA? Or do you only have standards when its a conservative?
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Old 05-31-2012, 07:22 AM
 
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Definition of conflict of interest:
  1. clash between requirements or implications: a conflict between the public and private interests of somebody in an official position, or conflicts between a number of public positions
That pretty much sums up Planned Parenthood using taxpayer money, to campaign on behalf of the President.

You'd be jumping up and down if this was a right wing group, and you know dam well thats true.

When are you going to call for it to stop MTA? Or do you only have standards when its a conservative?
If it is a conflict of interest, what is interest "A" conflicting with interest "B?"

Boeing can certainly hire lobbyists to influence Congress to buy planes made by Boeing. That's not a conflict of interest. Boeing has no duty beyond its shareholders, who benefit from the plane order. They have no duty to be objective or to safeguard taxpayer money.

Likewise, Planned Parenthood has not duty beyond their organization and their cause. Planned Parenthood has no public interest. Again, if you're claiming there is a conflict of interest, what interests are being conflicted?
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Old 05-31-2012, 07:28 AM
 
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If it is a conflict of interest, what is interest "A" conflicting with interest "B?"

Boeing can certainly hire lobbyists to influence Congress to buy planes made by Boeing. That's not a conflict of interest. Boeing has no duty beyond its shareholders, who benefit from the plane order. They have no duty to be objective or to safeguard taxpayer money.

Likewise, Planned Parenthood has not duty beyond their organization and their cause. Planned Parenthood has no public interest. Again, if you're claiming there is a conflict of interest, what interests are being conflicted?
Conflict A = Planned Parenthoods interest vs Conflict B the taxpayers interest.

Planned Parenthood obviously has an interest in making sure Obama is re-elected, but that doesnt necessary equate to whats in the best interest of the nation, and the more taxmoney they get, the more we go into debt. Yes, thats a conflict of interest, and most likely, an illegal one at that.

What do you mean Planned Parenthood has no public interest? Then you'd support not sending them taxpayer money? That is the reason they get it after all

hey MTA, would you also support Fox News getting taxpayer money then? I doubt it as well, but continue to show how hypocritical democrats are.
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Old 05-31-2012, 07:31 AM
 
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Conflict A = Planned Parenthoods interest vs Conflict B the taxpayers interest.
That's your fallacy. Planned Parenthood has no duty to the taxpayers -- just like any recipient of taxpayer money.
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Old 05-31-2012, 07:35 AM
 
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How much of PP funding comes from the government? Who wants to cut off that government funding? And you now whine about them using Their money to back the other guys, amazing
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