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Old 08-19-2011, 01:09 AM
 
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Separation of church and state appear no where in the Constitution. The frist amendment simply says they can not ESTABLISH one
Neither does "freedom of religion" or "right to bear arms"

The concept and intention of keeping church and state separate are quite clearly in the 1st amendment however (just ask the men who wrote it). That wall of separation was what this country was founded upon. You CANNOT have freedom of religion without separation of church/religion and state. A lesson from Europe our founders knew all too well.

 
Old 08-19-2011, 01:12 AM
 
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Or that creation happened. Neither are proveable.
That humans evolved from lower forms is provable and proven. That human life was created by an intelligent force is possible but not proven. That both of these things are true is possible, but not proven.

That the earth and humans and animals were created in six days, 6,000 years ago is disprovable and disproven.
 
Old 08-19-2011, 01:18 AM
 
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A fact has to be proven. The theory of Evolution is not proven. The geologic column used to support the theory exists only in textbooks, not in reality. The layered stratum as exists all over the world could only have occured following settleing after a great fllood.
LOL

Wrong. A global flood would not create a layered stratum. Not even close. It would create a single layer, jumbled mess of bones deposited together (please spare me the BS explanations from creationist websites - they've all been destroyed and debunked several thousand times over). The fossil record is just one of thousands of facts that DEBUNKS a global flood.

Face it, it is YOUR "theory" that only exists in a "textbook" (more like a fantasy novel) and not reality, bubba.

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You trot this out like it is a known.
Probably because it IS known (by people who read things called "books"). The Sumerians and their myths are historical facts. Just as it is a historical fact that the bulk of your Bible is a cheap ripoff of them.

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You were there when the mysterious Sumerians made the "myth" up, presumably?
No, but if you were educated you would have heard of a little text called the ENUMA ELISH in which the original flood myth was written. It predates your Bible by millenia. It also has the original myth of Adam and Eve, garden of Eden, etc,. All of which your Bible's authors plagiarized.
 
Old 08-19-2011, 02:01 AM
 
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Um, Evolution is a theory, with gaps..
No. Evolution is fact. The scientific Theory of Evolution just explains how it works.
 
Old 08-19-2011, 02:22 AM
 
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The theory of evolution has ALWAYS had cracks. BIG cracks that have never been solved. This is common knowledge and the reason why many people despite what scientist say, do not believe it. There are more than 6 billion humans on the Earth. There are more than 400 different species of primates living on the Earth as well. Where are the living species in the middle that supposedly evolved from the primate?! If evolution had an ounce of truth, we would have found one living evidence of the evolved primate. We have found ZERO. Billions of human beings, millions of primates, and not one living ancestor of these supposed evolved creatures. More than 200 years of research and still not one has been found!! Atheist are common idiots who except everyone to eat up a thesis that has some of the biggest holes in the history of science and scientific research and accept it as a fact when it's never been proven first and foremost, and secondly has never been observed, tested, and repeated in nature, and third, there is no living evidence to prove it!! In other words, it doesn't even qualify as basic science!! How the hell this theory is being taught in universities as a fact, I will NEVER know.
Oh dear. You really have no idea how silly you sound.

I can't believe how many Americans are so ignorant about Evolution.

The Talk.Origins Archive: Evolution FAQs
 
Old 08-19-2011, 03:17 AM
 
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A layman's use of theory and scientific theory is different.
From Theory (Scientific vs layman’s definition) | Thinking Critically

In common usage, the word theory is often used to signify a conjecture, an opinion, or a speculation. In this usage, a theory is not necessarily based on facts; in other words, it is not required to be consistent with true descriptions of reality. This usage of theory leads to the common incorrect statement “It’s not a fact, it’s only a theory.” True descriptions of reality are more reflectively understood as statements which would be true independently of what people think about them. In this usage, the word is synonymous with hypothesis.
In science, a theory is a mathematical or logical explanation, or a testable model of the manner of interaction of a set of natural phenomena, capable of predicting future occurrences or observations of the same kind, and capable of being tested through experiment or otherwise falsified through empirical observation. It follows from this that for scientists “theory” and “fact” do not necessarily stand in opposition. For example, it is a fact that an apple dropped on earth has been observed to fall towards the center of the planet, and the theories commonly used to describe and explain this behavior are Newton’s theory of universal gravitation (see also gravitation), and general relativity.
The defining characteristic of a scientific theory is that it makes falsifiable or testable predictions about things not yet observed. The relevance, and specificity of those predictions determine how (potentially) useful the theory is. A would-be theory which makes no predictions which can be observed is not a useful theory. Predictions which are not sufficiently specific to be tested are similarly not useful. In both cases, the term ‘theory’ is inapplicable.
I don't think any of the "evolution is only a theory" people are paying attention.
 
Old 08-19-2011, 03:25 AM
 
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They are BOTH theories

And what one did Perry SAY was right? HE DIDNT
No, they are not both theories.
Biblical Creationism is a myth along with all the other creation myths from various cultures and religions.

Evolution is fact.

The scientific Theory of Evolution explains the facts of evolution.
 
Old 08-19-2011, 03:28 AM
 
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I voted against Perry for governor because he's not as tough on border issues as Friedman, but I'm starting to like him against Obama.

Evolution and Intelligent Design should both be taught as unproven contemporary theories.
Intelligent design is not a scientific Theory. Scratch the surface and it is religious Creationism.
 
Old 08-19-2011, 03:40 AM
 
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Its funny how you post this, and they still just keep using the word theory as if they mean opinion- the theory of evolution is not an opinion it HAS been proven by the fossil record-
Perhaps they need a slightly simpler explanation? Grade school level?

"You've been told that "evolution is just a theory", a guess, a hunch, and not a fact, not proven. You've been misled.
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The Theory of Evolution is a theory, but guess what? When scientists use the word theory, it has a different meaning to normal everyday use.1 That's right, it all comes down to the multiple meanings of the word theory. If you said to a scientist that you didn't believe in evolution because it was "just a theory", they'd probably be a bit puzzled.

In everyday use, theory means a guess or a hunch, something that maybe needs proof. In science, a theory is not a guess, not a hunch. It's a well-substantiated, well-supported, well-documented explanation for our observations.2 It ties together all the facts about something, providing an explanation that fits all the observations and can be used to make predictions. In science, theory is the ultimate goal, the explanation. It's as close to proven as anything in science can be.

Some people think that in science, you have a theory, and once it's proven, it becomes a law. That's not how it works. In science, we collect facts, or observations, we use laws to describe them, and a theory to explain them. You don't promote a theory to a law by proving it. A theory never becomes a law.

This bears repeating. A theory never becomes a law. In fact, if there was a hierarchy of science, theories would be higher than laws. There is nothing higher, or better, than a theory. Laws describe things, theories explain them. An example will help you to understand this. There's a law of gravity, which is the description of gravity. It basically says that if you let go of something it'll fall. It doesn't say why. Then there's the theory of gravity, which is an attempt to explain why. Actually, Newton's Theory of Gravity did a pretty good job, but Einstein's Theory of Relativity does a better job of explaining it.

These explanations are called theories, and will always be theories. They can't be changed into laws, because laws are different things. Laws describe, and theories explain.

Just because it's called a theory of gravity, doesn't mean that it's just a guess. It's been tested. All our observations are supported by it, as well as its predictions that we've tested. Also, gravity is real! You can observe it for yourself. Just because it's real doesn't mean that the explanation is a law. The explanation, in scientific terms, is called a theory.

Evolution is the same. There's the fact of evolution. Evolution (genetic change over generations)3 happens, just like gravity does. Don't take my word for it.4 Ask your science teacher, or google it. But that's not the issue we are addressing here. The Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection is our best explanation for the fact of evolution. It has been tested and scrutinised for over 150 years, and is supported by all the relevant observations.

Next time someone tries to tell you that evolution is just a theory, as a way of dismissing it, as if it's just something someone guessed at, remember that they're using the non-scientific meaning of the word. If that person is a teacher, or minister, or some other figure of authority, they should know better. In fact, they probably do, and are trying to mislead you.5

Evolution is not just a theory, it's triumphantly a theory!"
Evolution is Not Just a Theory: home
 
Old 08-19-2011, 03:45 AM
 
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there is very limited scientific evidence supporting the theory of adam and eve. The only article i was able to find was this one

creationist paleontologists discover dinosaur saddle | avant news
lol!
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