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chavez better worry about his own health issues and his own country's problems:
There’s a simple reason for this: the implosion of Chavez’s self-styled “Bolivarian socialism” is accelerating.
Figures reported Tuesday by the Chavez-controlled central bank portrayed an economy that is completely out of sync with the rest of the region -- and perhaps unique in the world in the degree of its current distress. Gross national product fell by 5.8 percent in the first quarter, while inflation remained at 30 percent. Private investment plummeted by 27.9 percent as capital continued to flee the country.
Private economists suspect the economic contraction is even worse than what the official figures concede. But let’s assume they are correct. Venezuela’s crash compares with quarterly growth rates of 8 percent in Brazil, Argentina and Mexico. It comfortably exceeds the collapse of Greece, which contracted by 3 percent in the first quarter.
Inflation in Caracas is triple the next highest rate in Latin America (Argentina) and is more than double that of the next worst economy (Pakistan) among the 56 tracked by the Economist’s website. (washington post)
Venezuela already has a foreign-currency rating of ”B2″ by Moody’s, well into junk territory; it’ll be hard to get it much lower.
the people don't have it easy under chavez, so i would suggest that he quit "contributing" to the "betterment" of the united states.
If you know anything about the American Autumn you know that it is not in support of Obama or any other democrat for that matter. #ows recognizes that the system is failing. If you want to understand some facts of the matter, read more here (http://ransackedmuse.wordpress.com/2011/10/09/american-autumn-at-occupychi-across-the-world/ - broken link).
If you know anything about the American Autumn you know that it is not in support of Obama or any other democrat for that matter. #ows recognizes that the system is failing. I[/url].
The movement is so new and un-organized (not disorganized) that it is hard to parse out exactly who it represents in the broadest terms and specifically. There's people calling for corporate-gov't reform, gov't reform (who could be against that?), jobs creation (ditto), an end to he endless war (ditto for a lot of people), etc. It's a populist movement against what is perceived to be the ruling elite, but it does not grasp the understanding of where the real seat of word powers lie (beyond "the Pres"). Too many movements lack the tools and savvy to know how to keep their goals focused and achievable. Also, unfortunately, the media zoom their cameras in on the "hippie" types, stereotyping the people involved. The movement needs a reputable face.
Well I am rupuriosed they are not storming the whitew house and congresss 'afterall the second half of TARP left for Obama to control was meant for housing as setup by Bush administration. Instead it went the Banks;GM and Chrysler and the democratic congresss approved the GM and Chrysler bailouts.Remmeber when Geithner was promising a housing plan thatwas a private ;government programs like two years ago. Didn't happen.Now we see that Obama spent most of the stimulus on slolar panel starups nit even meeetinsdg the requriemnts it setup.and funding more union s thru teachers who two years later started to feel what private had aleady in job losses.Not exactly that massive infrastructure and jobs program as sold was it.
So far, the protests have had almost no specific focus. It is a sort of generalized resentment and frustration which is coming out. It will truly be interesting to see how long the protests continue, how much participation they draw, and how widespread they become geographically across the country.
They actually do have a specific focus. On Sept 27 #OWS posted their demands. You can find links to those demands and to those of #occupychicago here (http://ransackedmuse.wordpress.com/2011/10/09/american-autumn-at-occupychi-across-the-world/ - broken link).
The movement is so new and un-organized (not disorganized) that it is hard to parse out exactly who it represents in the broadest terms and specifically. There's people calling for corporate-gov't reform, gov't reform (who could be against that?), jobs creation (ditto), an end to he endless war (ditto for a lot of people), etc. It's a populist movement against what is perceived to be the ruling elite, but it does not grasp the understanding of where the real seat of word powers lie (beyond "the Pres"). Too many movements lack the tools and savvy to know how to keep their goals focused and achievable. Also, unfortunately, the media zoom their cameras in on the "hippie" types, stereotyping the people involved. The movement needs a reputable face.
I agree that the movement needs a reputable face or two. But I disagree with you in that they don't understand that the real seat of power lies beyond 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, they do. That is why the movement is called #OccupyWallStreet. The point is that corporations have taken over the governing of our country and that should come to an end. There are links to more information about their specific demands and the origins of the movement here (http://ransackedmuse.wordpress.com/2011/10/09/american-autumn-at-occupychi-across-the-world/ - broken link).
I agree that the movement needs a reputable face or two. But I disagree with you in that they don't understand that the real seat of power lies beyond 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, they do. That is why the movement is called #OccupyWallStreet. The point is that corporations have taken over the governing of our country and that should come to an end. There are links to more information about their specific demands and the origins of the movement here (http://ransackedmuse.wordpress.com/2011/10/09/american-autumn-at-occupychi-across-the-world/ - broken link).
Their message is all over the place...End corporate welfare, People over profit, Peace and justice, End the wars, etc. Of course it's all related, but if they don't come up with a workable, focused, believable, feasible case statement (as well as detailed plan--how they propose to effect the changes), I believe the efforts will fizzle, just like the MoveOn organization fizzled when it came to opposing the Iraq War. They need a master plan, and representative spokespersons who do not sound like emotional radicals (even though their position is radical).
Their message is all over the place...End corporate welfare, People over profit, Peace and justice, End the wars, etc. Of course it's all related, but if they don't come up with a workable, focused, believable, feasible case statement (as well as detailed plan--how they propose to effect the changes), I believe the efforts will fizzle, just like the MoveOn organization fizzled when it came to opposing the Iraq War. They need a master plan, and representative spokespersons who do not sound like emotional radicals (even though their position is radical).
I agree, in the long-term they will need a few select points to argue over.
But for now, until they've got more respectable numbers, I think laying out all our problems and protesting as they are now is the best thing they can do.
If they make their priority getting out of the middle east, for example- anyone who thinks that is a lower priority than people over profit will think that the protest is no longer 'for them' in a sense...
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