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Maybe supply some peer reviewed data that says some people's metabolism's run more efficiently on more meat.
My real criticism of these types of diets is that they are very hard to stay on very any significant period of time. In think people do much better when they have do not have to restrict any food groups. These diets may work in the short term, but when the person decides they are sick of this way of eating which could be in a month, or in a year, they are going to gain the weight back.
Or better yet, just step on over to the diabetes forum and pay careful attention to what people say about what drives up their blood sugar. I did and it's grains and beans mostly--I mean after they've gone off the junk food.
I think our OP has quit us in disgust and I don't blame her, so I'm going to tell on her a bit. She's been a vegetarian for around 30 years and is thin. She got thyroid problems and prediabetic at roughly the same time and is having a hard time getting back to normal again and her blood sugar is not behaving all that well, which is why she introduced this thread. She has described her diet somewhat in other threads and it sounds like a responsible vegetarian diet to me, somewhat like the Fuhrman diet really and like what the ADA recommends, but it's not working for a lot of people. If you're prediabetic and eating responsibly and still have BS problems, then doesn't it seem like a good idea to re-evaluate?
I am not referring to diabetes. I am referring to losing weight and keeping it off. I did not realize this thread was about diabetes.
The OP has been on the diabetes forum quite a lot lately b/c her blood sugar is too high--not diabetic yet but headed that way. She weighs about 120 lbs so weight is not the issue here. (Veggienut, I hope you don't mind me doing this but I'm just telling what you've already said on the D forum.) So yes, in a sense this thread is about diabetes and I'm guessing that she figured that the folks on the weight loss forum would know more about the paleo diet.
The OP has been on the diabetes forum quite a lot lately b/c her blood sugar is too high--not diabetic yet but headed that way. She weighs about 120 lbs so weight is not the issue here. (Veggienut, I hope you don't mind me doing this but I'm just telling what you've already said on the D forum.) So yes, in a sense this thread is about diabetes and I'm guessing that she figured that the folks on the weight loss forum would know more about the paleo diet.
If weight is not the issue, then she shouldn't have posted in the diet and weight loss forum, asking about a diet that is known and advertised as a weight-loss diet. She shouldn't have excluded that the reason she was interested in any diet at all, wasn't weight loss, but rather the fact that she's trying to get her blood sugar levels in check because she's pre-diabetic.
It's like going to the vegetarian folder asking about how to eat meat properly, and expecting the vegetarians to be compassionate and helpful.
If you come to the diet folder asking about a diet, but you don't really need to diet, then don't expect the answers to be very useful to you. You're asking for something you don't need, and neglecting to tell people what you -do- need.
Because there is "the diet I eat" and there is "going on a diet." The terms mean different things. It's all about the context.
In the context of "X and weight loss" then "diet" would refer to the "going on a diet" type of diet, that people go on, when they want to lose weight.
In the context of "Vegetarianism" in the food category of city-data, it would refer to the variety of vegetarian foods (as opposed to the entire lifestyle, which isn't a diet, it's a lifestyle, which shouldn't be confused with Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous, which would be in a different part of City-Data).
In the context of the diabetes folder, it would refer to foods or eating habits for people who have diabetes, or who are trying to ward off diabetes.
It's all about context. If you're wanting advice specifically regarding food choices and diabetes, you should be posting in the diabetes folder. If you're wanting advice specifically regarding losing weight, or gaining weight, or weight in general, then weight loss/diet is definitely the place to be.
If weight is not the issue, then she shouldn't have posted in the diet and weight loss forum, asking about a diet that is known and advertised as a weight-loss diet. She shouldn't have excluded that the reason she was interested in any diet at all, wasn't weight loss, but rather the fact that she's trying to get her blood sugar levels in check because she's pre-diabetic.
It's like going to the vegetarian folder asking about how to eat meat properly, and expecting the vegetarians to be compassionate and helpful.
If you come to the diet folder asking about a diet, but you don't really need to diet, then don't expect the answers to be very useful to you. You're asking for something you don't need, and neglecting to tell people what you -do- need.
I won't presume to get inside her head but I think it's a logical place and for the reason I already said--more folks are likely to be knowledgeable about paleo on this thread. Why can't we just lighten up?
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Yes, and it's not new. It's been around for years in various forms. It was quite the fad here in the health-wellness forum for a couple of months, and then it died the same death as all fad diets die, until you resurrected it just now.
Stay tuned for another month of argument on whose internet resource is better than whose, and which version of paleo is superior to which other version, and semantics arguments about how if you're eating dairy, you aren't eating paleo (yes you are! No you're not! My sources say yes! Well your sources are unreliable! Oh yeah? Well my sources are better looking than your sources! Nuh uh, your sources are ugly, mine are clearly the best looking...etc. etc. etc.)
That's pretty accurate! Hahaha
The thing is....I don't think there is any one way that is perfect for everyone. I know people who've had raging success with WW and some who failed abysmally. Some people do really well with extreme low carb and others feel they're going to pass away. It's trial and error, I think, until you find what works for you. The big clincher? Sticking with what works. You will probably have to eat that way the rest of your life. I know I will. Sucks, but that's just the way it is.
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