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Old 11-13-2020, 06:20 PM
 
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I forgot to add an interesting thing about the Carolina Mudcats. With the Midwest League becoming High-A and the Milwaukee Brewers owning the High-A Carolina Mudcats in the Carolina League, it does seem like they have a dilemma.

It would be nice if their MWL team, the Wisconsin Timber Rattlers, which they do not own, becomes their High-A affiliate, since they play in Appleton, WI and are only 100 miles away from Milwaukee, but what happens to the Mudcats?

Do they drop to Low-A and join the Sally League, with the Brewers still owning them?

I also heard rumors that some West Coast teams, one of them being the Dodgers, do not like the Northwest League becoming High-A, some want their High-A team to be in the Midwest League, since the Dodgers already have their AAA and AA teams in Oklahoma. Of course the Mariners, make out in this realignment, their short season Class A team, the Everett AquaSox, now becomes their High-A team!
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Old 11-14-2020, 05:20 AM
 
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With 120 moving parts, the new MiLB realignment feels like one giant jigsaw puzzle.

These are my current percentage estimates of which MLB team will become the new parent to the Columbia Fireflies, take it with a grain of salt, since I could be totally wrong!

Indians (Low-A) 35%
Royals (Low-A) 30%
Marlins (High-A) 25%
Braves (High-A) 10%

There could be 3 or 4 more options out there as well, but I'll stick with those right now.
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Old 11-17-2020, 09:25 AM
 
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So I saw this proposal on a site I frequent and...I'm not mad at it. There's a couple changes I'd personally make (Nashville to the IL rather than St. Paul being foremost):


International League (AAA) - 16 teams
  • Buffalo Bisons - Blue Jays
  • Charlotte Knights - White Sox
  • Columbus Clippers - Indians
  • Durham Bulls - Rays
  • Gwinnett Stripers - Braves
  • Indianapolis Indians - Pirates
  • Jacksonville Jumbo Shrimp (from Southern League) - Marlins
  • Lehigh Valley IronPigs - Phillies
  • Louisville Bats - Reds
  • Norfolk Tides - Orioles
  • Rochester Red Wings - Nationals (from Twins)
  • Scranton/Wilkes-Barre RailRiders - Yankees
  • St. Paul Saints (from American Association) - Twins (from unaffiliated)
  • Syracuse Mets - Mets
  • Toledo Mud Hens - Tigers
  • Worcester Red Sox - Red Sox
Pacific Coast League (AAA) - 14 teams
  • Albuquerque Isotopes - Rockies
  • El Paso Chihuahuas - Padres
  • Iowa Cubs - Cubs
  • Las Vegas Aviators - A's
  • Memphis Redbirds - Cardinals
  • Nashville Sounds - Rangers
  • Oklahoma City Dodgers - Dodgers
  • Omaha Storm Chasers - Royals
  • Reno Aces - Diamondbacks
  • Round Rock Express - Brewers (from Astros)
  • Sacramento River Cats - Giants
  • Salt Lake Bees - Angels
  • Sugar Land Skeeters (from American Association) - Astros (from unaffiliated)
  • Tacoma Rainiers - Mariners
Eastern League (AA) - 12 teams
  • Akron RubberDucks - Indians
  • Altoona Curve - Pirates
  • Binghamton Rumble Ponies - Mets
  • Bowie Baysox - Orioles
  • Erie SeaWolves - Tigers
  • Harrisburg Senators - Nationals
  • Hartford Yard Goats - Rockies
  • New Hampshire Fisher Cats - Blue Jays
  • Portland Sea Dogs - Red Sox
  • Reading Fightin' Phils - Phillies
  • Richmond Flying Squirrels - Giants
  • Somerset Patriots (from Atlantic League) - Yankees (from unaffiliated)
Southern League (AA) - 8 teams
  • Biloxi Shuckers - Brewers
  • Birmingham Barons - White Sox
  • Bowling Green Hot Rods (from Midwest League) - Reds (from Rays)
  • Mississippi Braves - Braves
  • Montgomery Biscuits - Rays
  • Pensacola Blue Wahoos - Marlins (from Reds)
  • Rocket City Trash Pandas - Angels
  • Tennessee Smokies - Cubs
Texas League (AA) - 10 teams
  • Amarillo Sod Poodles - Padres
  • Arkansas Travelers - Mariners
  • Corpus Christi Hooks - Astros
  • Frisco RoughRiders - Rangers
  • Midland RockHounds - A's
  • Northwest Arkansas Naturals - Royals
  • San Antonio Missions (from Pacific Coast League) - Diamondbacks
  • Springfield Cardinals - Cardinals
  • Tulsa Drillers - Dodgers
  • Wichita Wind Surge (from Pacific Coast League) - Twins
Carolina League (Advanced A) - 6 teams
  • Columbia Fireflies (from South Atlantic League) - Braves
  • Down East Wood Ducks - Rangers
  • Fayetteville Woodpeckers - Astros
  • Greensboro Grasshoppers (from South Atlantic League) - Pirates
  • Greenville Drive (from South Atlantic League) - Red Sox
  • Winston-Salem Dash - White Sox
Mid-Atlantic League (Advanced A) - 6 teams
  • Aberdeen IronBirds (from New York-Penn League) - Orioles
  • Brooklyn Cyclones (from New York-Penn League) - Mets
  • Fredericksburg Nationals (from Carolina League) - Nationals
  • Hudson Valley Renegades (from New York-Penn League) - Yankees (from Rays)
  • Jersey Shore BlueClaws (from South Atlantic League) - Phillies
  • Wilmington Blue Rocks (from Carolina League) - Royals
Midwest League (Advanced A; previously Low A) - 12 teams
  • Beloit Snappers - Rays (from A's)
  • Cedar Rapids Kernels - Twins
  • Dayton Dragons - Reds
  • Fort Wayne TinCaps - Padres
  • Great Lakes Loons - Dodgers
  • Kane County Cougars - Marlins (from Diamondbacks)
  • Lake County Captains - Indians
  • Lansing Lugnuts - Blue Jays
  • Peoria Chiefs - Cardinals
  • South Bend Cubs - Cubs
  • West Michigan Whitecaps - Tigers
  • Wisconsin Timber Rattlers - Brewers
Northwest League (Advanced A; previously Short Season A) - 6 teams
  • Boise Hawks - Rockies
  • Eugene Emeralds - Giants (from Cubs)
  • Everett AquaSox - Mariners
  • Hillsboro Hops - Diamondbacks
  • Spokane Indians - Angels (from Rangers)
  • Vancouver Canadians - A's (from Blue Jays)
California League (Low A; previously Advanced A) - 8 teams
  • Fresno Grizzlies (from Pacific Coast League) - Rockies (from Nationals)
  • Lake Elsinore Storm - Padres
  • Modesto Nuts - Mariners
  • Rancho Cucamonga Quakes - Dodgers
  • San Bernardino Inland Empire 66ers - Angels
  • San Jose Giants - Giants
  • Stockton Ports - A's
  • Visalia Rawhide - Diamondbacks
Florida State League (Low A; previously Advanced A) - 10 teams
  • Bradenton Marauders - Pirates
  • Charlotte Stone Crabs - Rays
  • Clearwater Threshers - Phillies
  • Dunedin Blue Jays - Blue Jays
  • Fort Myers Mighty Mussels - Twins
  • Jupiter Hammerheads - Marlins
  • Lakeland Flying Tigers - Tigers
  • Palm Beach Cardinals - Cardinals
  • St. Lucie Mets - Mets
  • Tampa Tarpons - Yankees
South Atlantic League (Low A) - 12 teams
  • Asheville Tourists - Astros (from Rockies)
  • Augusta GreenJackets - Royals (from Giants)
  • Carolina Mudcats (from Carolina League) - Brewers
  • Charleston Riverdogs - Reds (from Yankees)
  • Delmarva Shorebirds - Orioles
  • Hickory Crawdads - Rangers
  • Kannapolis Cannon Ballers - White Sox
  • Lynchburg Hillcats (from Carolina League) - Indians
  • Myrtle Beach Pelicans (from Carolina League) - Cubs
  • Rome Braves - Braves
  • Salem Red Sox (from Carolina League) - Red Sox
  • West Virginia Black Bears (from New York-Penn League) - Nationals (from Pirates)
Contracted Teams
  • Auburn Doubledays (from New York-Penn League)
  • Batavia Muckdogs (from New York-Penn League)
  • Billings Mustangs (from Pioneer League)
  • Bluefield Blue Jays (from Appalachian League)
  • Bristol Pirates (from Appalachian League)
  • Burlington Bees (from Midwest League)
  • Burlington Royals (from Appalachian League)
  • Chattanooga Lookouts (from Southern League)
  • Clinton Lumber Kings (from Midwest League)
  • Danville Braves (from Appalachian League)
  • Daytona Tortugas (from Florida State League)
  • Elizabethton Twins (from Appalachian League)
  • Florida Fire Frogs (from Florida State League)
  • Frederick Keys (from Carolina League)
  • Grand Junction Rockies (from Pioneer League)
  • Great Falls Voyagers (from Pioneer League)
  • Greeneville Reds (from Appalachian League)
  • Hagerstown Suns (from South Atlantic League)
  • Idaho Falls Chukars (from Pioneer League)
  • Jackson Generals (from Southern League)
  • Johnson City Cardinals (from Appalachian League)
  • Kingsport Mets (from Appalachian League)
  • Lancaster JetHawks (from California League)
  • Lexington Legends (from South Atlantic League)
  • Lowell Spinners (from New York-Penn League)
  • Mahoning Valley Scrappers (from New York-Penn League)
  • Missoula PaddleHeads (from Pioneer League)
  • Norwich Sea Unicorns (from New York-Penn League)
  • Ogden Raptors (from Pioneer League)
  • Orem Owlz (from Pioneer League)
  • Princeton Rays (from Appalachian League)
  • Pulaski Yankees (from Appalachian League)
  • Quad Cities River Bandits (from Midwest League)
  • Rocky Mountain Vibes (from Pioneer League)
  • Salem-Keizer Volcanoes (from Northwest League)
  • State College Spikes (from New York-Penn League)
  • Staten Island Yankees (from New York-Penn League)
  • Trenton Thunder (from Eastern League)
  • Tri-City Dust Devils (from Northwest League)
  • Tri City ValleyCats (from New York-Penn League)
  • Vermont Lake Monsters (from New York-Penn League)
  • West Virginia Power (from South Atlantic League)
  • Williamsport Crosscutters (from New York-Penn League)
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Old 11-17-2020, 10:46 AM
 
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So I saw this proposal on a site I frequent and...I'm not mad at it.
I think the new Mid-Atlantic League, will be either:

Hudson Valley (Yankees)
Brooklyn (Mets)
Jersey Shore (Phillies)
Wilmington (Red Sox)
Aberdeen (Baltimore)
Fredericksburg (Nationals)

or

Lowell (Red Sox)
Hudson Valley (Yankees)
Brooklyn (Mets)
Jersey Shore (Phillies)
Wilmington (Blue Jays)
Aberdeen (Baltimore)

It will all come down to whether Lowell is contracted or not:

Boston Red Sox affiliate, Lowell Spinners, might join new High-A Mid-Atlantic League, per sources

As for AAA, I thought they were seriously considering breaking up the PCL and forming a new 8-team central AAA League?

With Jacksonville joining the AAA Class, going to 3 leagues does make it sort of interesting, since putting them in the IL makes the most sense, but they could also be in the new AAA central league.

Here's how I would break AAA up into 3 leagues:

Pacific Coast League

Tacoma
Sacramento
Reno
Las Vegas
Salt Lake City
Albuquerque
El Paso
Oklahoma City
Round Rock
Sugarland

New AAA League

St. Paul
Des Moines
Omaha
Indianapolis
Louisville
Nashville
Memphis
Jacksonville

International League

Worcester
Syracuse
Rochester
Buffalo
Scranton/Wilkes-Barre
Lehigh Valley
Norfolk
Durham
Charlotte
Gwinnett
Toledo
Columbus

I guess you could also do three 10-team leagues, but do you put Columbus and Toledo in the new central league? More over Gwinnett and bring in Toledo? Like I said with Jacksonville moving up in class, it gets kinda of tricky breaking up AAA into 3 leagues and make it flow smoothly.
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Old 11-20-2020, 05:28 AM
 
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Unfortunately for Minor League fans, the amount of teams and players will continue to shrink. Doubtful you will ever see 40 rounds of the draft again. MLB will continue to look further at collegiate baseball to develop players, while at the same time be able to raise the salaries of those that do play MiLB. MLB's long range goal is to get the minors down to just three or even two levels.
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Old 11-20-2020, 09:38 AM
 
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Unfortunately for Minor League fans, the amount of teams and players will continue to shrink. Doubtful you will ever see 40 rounds of the draft again. MLB will continue to look further at collegiate baseball to develop players, while at the same time be able to raise the salaries of those that do play MiLB. MLB's long range goal is to get the minors down to just three or even two levels.
I've heard that as well that, maybe in 10 years, each MLB team will only have a AAA and AA team each, then there will be a bunch of wooden bat summer college leagues and indy leagues. For better or worse, baseball and society in general are changing.
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Old 11-26-2020, 10:10 AM
 
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So per Baseball America MLB has pulled a Darth Vader and altered the deal (pray they don't alter them further) and the previous breakdown of 2 AAA, 3 AA, 4 High-A, and 3 Low-A leagues has been changed to 2 AAA, 3 AA, 3 High-A, and 3 Low-A. The crunch is going to come in the Southeast. Essentially the High-A Carolina League and Low-A South Atlantic League are going to get combined, some teams taken out to be put in the new High-A Mid-Atlantic League, and the rest kept in a Low-A league (what that League is named who knows, but I'd assume it'd keep the South Atlantic League name). Given that, the best guess from the blog I previously cited (Mike McCann's Minor League Baseball Source) for the affected leagues is as follows:



Mid-Atlantic League (High-A)
  • Aberdeen IronBirds (Orioles) (from New York-Penn League)
  • Asheville Tourists (Braves) (from South Atlantic League)
  • Brooklyn Cyclones (Mets) (from New York-Penn League)
  • Fredericksburg Nationals (Nationals) (from Carolina League)
  • Greensboro Grasshoppers (Pirates) (from South Atlantic League)
  • Hickory Crawdads (Rangers) (from South Atlantic League)
  • Hudson Valley Renegades (Yankees) (from New York-Penn League)
  • Jersey Shore Blue Claws (Phillies) (from South Atlantic League)
  • Salem Red Sox (Red Sox) (from Carolina League)
  • West Virginia Black Bears (Marlins or Rays) (from New York-Penn League)
  • Wilmington Blue Rocks (Royals) (from Carolina League)
  • Winston-Salem Dash (White Sox) (from Carolina League)

South Atlantic League (Low-A)
  • Augusta GreenJackets (Astros)
  • Carolina Mudcats (Brewers) (from Carolina League)
  • Charleston Riverdogs (Reds)
  • Columbia Fireflies (Royals)
  • Delmarva Shorebirds (Orioles)
  • Down East Wood Ducks (Rangers) (from Carolina League)
  • Fayetteville Woodpeckers (Astros) (from Carolina League)
  • Greenville Drive (Red Sox)
  • Kannapolis Cannon Ballers (White Sox)
  • Lynchburg Hillcats (Indians) (from Carolina League)
  • Myrtle Beach Pelicans (Cubs) (from Carolina League)
  • Rome Braves (Braves)
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Old 11-28-2020, 10:36 PM
 
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According to ballpark digest, it’s an American League central team taking over the ballpark
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Old 11-29-2020, 10:15 AM
 
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According to ballpark digest, it’s an American League central team taking over the ballpark

They won't technically be "taking over the ballpark." Again, the Fireflies are an independent organization owned by Hardball Capital. The AL Central team that Ballpark Digest refers to will be the new MLB affiliate for the Fireflies but there's been no talk of the future parent club purchasing an ownership stake in the team. Sorry to be pedantic here, there's just a commonly held misconception that MiLB teams are all owned outright by their parent club. While some are, many/most aren't.
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Old 11-29-2020, 03:50 PM
 
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The crunch is going to come in the Southeast. Essentially the High-A Carolina League and Low-A South Atlantic League are going to get combined, some teams taken out to be put in the new High-A Mid-Atlantic League, and the rest kept in a Low-A league (what that League is named who knows, but I'd assume it'd keep the South Atlantic League name).
While I'm definitely not a fan of a 6-team league, having only one in High-A, the Northwest League, instead of three, NWL, Carolina League and the new Mid-Atlantic League makes sense, but I just feel bad for the Carolina League name and it's history which has been around since 1945, just going away!

So this new High-A Mid-Atlantic League may stretch from Newburgh, NY all the way down to Winston-Salem, NC, that's still a large footprint and the new Sally League might go from Salisbury, MD to Rome, GA, also a very large footprint, of course it's still better than going from Lakewood, NJ to Rome, GA.

I guess in the end, there really is no "perfect" solution to realigning the leagues.
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