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I kinda agree here, and tbh a lot of LA is just bloated population fluff with very little output. LA isn't even a top 10 MSA for Fortune 500's in the US.
SF MSA alone punches well above weight, and the entire Bay Area CSA is up in the top 4 in many metrics with NYC, LA, and DC. It leaves San Diego in the dust IMO.
I think having 40% of the entire countries imported goods come into the port of LA/Long Beach via containers is magnitudes more important in real world relevance then how many F500 HQ's set up shop for in your city for tax reasons.
When was it officially decided that San Francisco holds dominion over all of these cities "in its orbit?"
The fact that the flagship transit system for the area (BART) does not have "San Francisco" in the name suggests that it doesn't.
Well, because it does.
Not for nothing, I grew up there. I grew up in the South Bay, what the census bureau claims is the SJ metro area and there was never a clear delineation that SF was not the defacto capitol of the area. It’s a continuous, contiguous urban area. Sure, we mostly left SF for the tourists or concerts, but if you wanted to have a fancy event, we didn’t go to SJ, we headed up to SF. All our broadcasting was in SF. Hell, the SF 49ers play in Santa Clara, also right next to San Jose and in the supposed SJ metro. The Bay Area is a single unit. The idea that SF and SJ are separate metro areas is bizarre to me, and points to the census bureau perhaps needing to not sit in an office on the east coast and pretend it knows what it’s talking about.
Not for nothing, I grew up there. I grew up in the South Bay, what the census bureau claims is the SJ metro area and there was never a clear delineation that SF was not the defacto capitol of the area. It’s a continuous, contiguous urban area. Sure, we mostly left SF for the tourists or concerts, but if you wanted to have a fancy event, we didn’t go to SJ, we headed up to SF. All our broadcasting was in SF. Hell, the SF 49ers play in Santa Clara, also right next to San Jose and in the supposed SJ metro. The Bay Area is a single unit. The idea that SF and SJ are separate metro areas is bizarre to me, and points to the census bureau perhaps needing to not sit in an office on the east coast and pretend it knows what it’s talking about.
Yeah SJ never feels like an independent city. I even had a friend asking me if SJ is a neighborhood in SF lol
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I think having 40% of the entire countries imported goods come into the port of LA/Long Beach via containers is magnitudes more important in real world relevance then how many F500 HQ's set up shop for in your city for tax reasons.
With this same logic Rotterdam would be at least the 2nd most important city in Europe. It's not. I've been there, and was in the Netherlands last month.
LA should punch at a higher weight for it's size than it does across the board. The Riverside MSA does little but bloat the population up to "NY's tier". Yet when breaking it down by each metric gets wiped out by the NYC MSA/CSA. Los Angeles per capita numbers are rarely if ever near the top 5 in anything, and NY's are always higher.
LA is top 3 when it's all said and done because of size and prestige, just saying that SF or the Bay Area should certainly be considered closer to it's "tier" than SD is to SF.
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You could argue that a rural freeway or rail intersection is pretty important, depending on the scenario.
I agree that port throughput is a big factor. But we're talking about "stature," which I'd say is more about shiny things like tech and iconic places.
If we’re talking about stature, SF does have a top 5-6 iconic landmark in the Golden Gate Bridge that is on par with and rivals LA’s Hollywood sign worldwide with familiarity and oozes SF, CA, and the USA when one sees a picture of it. I cannot think of anything in San Diego that is anywhere as prominent (as much as I like the Zoo and Coronado bridge).
With this same logic Rotterdam would be at least the 2nd most important city in Europe. It's not. I've been there, and was in the Netherlands last month.
"Importance" is not monolithic.
How important any city is entirely dependent on the context of what metric we are using for importance.
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LA should punch at a higher weight for it's size than it does across the board. The Riverside MSA does little but bloat the population up to "NY's tier". Yet when breaking it down by each metric gets wiped out by the NYC MSA/CSA. Los Angeles per capita numbers are rarely if ever near the top 5 in anything, and NY's are always higher.
LA is the 3rd largest MSA by nominal GDP on the planet after Tokyo & NYC. It outperforms both London (14.25 million MSA) & Paris (13 million MSA) so this whole "it needs to punch higher" on a per-capita basis argument is silly at best.
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LA is top 3 when it's all said and done because of size and prestige, just saying that SF or the Bay Area should certainly be considered closer to it's "tier" than SD is to SF.
Nobody is arguing that the Bay Area isn't closer to LA than SD. But there are caveats to that statement nor is it that black and white.
SF is only marginally more multi-core than any other region, if that. Seattle has Bellevue and Tacoma and it's still one region. Greater LA has several downtowns.
LA is a light hitter in GDP per capita for a US city, or at least is far below greater SF.
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