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Originally Posted by chiatldal
those CSA's are not 3 major cities but five, your adding province and Baltimore which further my point.
It takes 5 Coast cities to rival New York CSA size
Chicago is 9,882,634
Detroit 5,318,653
Minneapolis 3,894,820
over 9.2 mil a close population is already reached with just 2 CSA's to Chicago size
Posters are going the East Coast has more major cities so the East Coast is dominate by NY less..... which actually no sense.
Chicago is not as big as New York, so it doesn't matter if the secondary cities of Midwest aren't as big East Coast secondary cities.
Milwaukee is closer to Chicago size than Philly is too New York size. basically New York is so big it make Philly look like Milwaukee size to Chicago.
As much as Chicago is an odd ball to the midwest, the midwest is still more balance than the East Coast, New York dominates the East coast more.
The Midwest does not have CSA's in the same fashion that the Northeast does, so sure there are 5 even 6 cities if you add Wilmington, DE in those 3 CSA's. But those 3 CSA's are all tight and close together with multiple major cities in one 30-50 mile stretch. This simply just does not happen with those Midwest metros, where the closest of any substantial city is 200+ miles out. It's really apples to oranges.
Again I'd rather compare more than population numbers, but NYC is dominate in and around itself because it is the de facto "world capital". The other major cities on the East Coast (at least DC, Philly, Boston) don't get really encroached on by NYC's dominance however because of how strong they are in comparison to the rest of the country. Your talking about one 350 mile stretch with four of the 8 largest CSA's and four of the 10 largest MSA's in the country.
You drop DC in the Western United States, Philly in the Midwest, and Boston in the South and they instantly would be no worse than second in their respective regions. Which is vastly more dominant than any Midwest city would do.
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The Midwest does not have CSA's in the same fashion that the Northeast does, so sure there are 5 even 6 cities if you add Wilmington, DE in those 3 CSA's. But those 3 CSA's are all tight and close together with multiple major cities in one 30-50 mile stretch. This simply just does not happen with those Midwest metros, where the closest of any substantial city is 200+ miles out. It's really apples to oranges.
Again I'd rather compare more than population numbers, but NYC is dominate in and around itself because it is the de facto "world capital". The other major cities on the East Coast (at least DC, Philly, Boston) don't get really encroached on by NYC's dominance however because of how strong they are in comparison to the rest of the country. Your talking about one 350 mile stretch with four of the 8 largest CSA's and four of the 10 largest MSA's in the country.
You drop DC in the Western United States, Philly in the Midwest, and Boston in the South and they instantly would be no worse than second in their respective regions. Which is vastly more dominant than any Midwest city would do.
You drop DC in the Western United States, Philly in the Midwest, and Boston in the South and they instantly would be no worse than second in their respective regions. Which is vastly more dominant than any Midwest city would do.
This is evident from CvC threads where there are few matchups between non-Chicago Midwestern cities and SF, DC, LA, BOS, etc. Chicago nearly always has to be set up against a city outside of its region because other Midwestern cities can't compete against it on pretty much any metric discussed in this forum (transit, density, economic prowess, diversity, culture, etc.).
The Twin Cities might be the only other Midwestern metro that can stack up favorably to the C-D star cities, but it's usually not large enough to go head to head with most of the legacy cities and come out on top (with the exception of the COL category, perhaps).
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This is evident from CvC threads where there are few matchups between non-Chicago Midwestern cities and SF, DC, LA, BOS, etc. Chicago nearly always has to be set up against a city outside of its region because other Midwestern cities can't compete against it on pretty much any metric discussed in this forum (transit, density, economic prowess, diversity, culture, etc.).
The Twin Cities might be the only other Midwestern metro that can stack up favorably to the C-D star cities, but it's usually not large enough to go head to head with most of the legacy cities and come out on top (with the exception of the COL category, perhaps).
This is not not true. Grew up in ohio. Never noticed chicago. Insane. "Midwest" is a huge area.
What part is not true?
I only made two concrete statements in the post you quoted.
1) Chicago is the only showcase city and/or world class city in the Midwest. That's most definitely true.
2) The other statement I made was that the West has a second world class place outside of Los Angeles, called San Francisco and the Northeast has a second world class place as well outside of New York, called Washington DC. That part of my statement is 100% true too.
I only made two concrete statements in the post you quoted.
1) Chicago is the only showcase city and/or world class city in the Midwest. That's most definitely true.
2) The other statement I made was that the West has a second world class place outside of Los Angeles, called San Francisco and the Northeast has a second world class place as well outside of New York, called Washington DC. That part of my statement is 100% true too.
So how is what I said not true again?
People don't even address what the heck the thread is about. Influence on the region.
People growing up in Cleveland don't think about Chicago. Sorry, Chicago.
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People don't even address what the heck the thread is about. Influence on the region.
People growing up in Cleveland don't think about Chicago. Sorry, Chicago.
This is the dumbest thread.
I think the question should have been asked differently, and also the use of the word "dominate" especially when referring to one city doing that to another, doesn't sit well with most people.
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