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Old 02-16-2017, 11:30 PM
 
Location: Kent, UK/ Cranston, US
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Both very good cities. Couldn't go wrong with either of them. Though, I think I slightly prefer Boston.
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Old 02-17-2017, 08:21 AM
 
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Cause Philadelphia totally lacks in colonial architecture, rowhouses, history, accent and density.

Hahahaha

It has more than Boston does.
boston is measurably denser than philly (the others are subjective and most people would assume boston to have more than philly for most of them).
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Old 02-17-2017, 08:34 AM
 
Location: In the heights
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boston is measurably denser than philly (the others are subjective and most people would assume boston to have more than philly for most of them).
Are you accounting for the much larger city area of Philadelphia that encompasses areas that are equivalent to Boston's sfh suburbs driving down much of the density numbers for Philadelphia?
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Old 02-17-2017, 09:00 AM
 
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Are you accounting for the much larger city area of Philadelphia that encompasses areas that are equivalent to Boston's sfh suburbs driving down much of the density numbers for Philadelphia?
i dont think so. i just did a quick check on city-data. can you please add up the numbers for all the cities you think are applicable so we can compare ? (places like somerville, cambridge are actually denser than boston so they would pull the average up if anything).

i would do it but i am trying to finish some stuff at work and a few folks took today friday off to maximize their presidents day weekend so i have to catch up.

i'll have to look but i think metro boston is denser than metro philly.

what does sfh mean ?
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Old 02-17-2017, 09:06 AM
 
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boston is measurably denser than philly (the others are subjective and most people would assume boston to have more than philly for most of them).
For a more apples to apples comparison, if you shrink Philly down to Bostons 48 sq miles in area, then Philly is significantly denser than Boston. Philly roughly fits 1 million people in Boston stands land area. Also going by your logic, Cambridge, MA "is measurably denser" than Boston.
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Old 02-17-2017, 09:13 AM
 
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For a more apples to apples comparison, if you shrink Philly down to Bostons 48 sq miles in area, then Philly is significantly denser than Boston. Philly roughly fits 1 million people in Boston stands land area.
i can probably get creative and find an oblong contiguous tract of land in boston that is somewhat more dense than philly (the same way they gerrymander electoral districts); it would probably be easier to grow boston into 142 square miles and include places like somerville, cambridge, chelsea, ... and ignore less dense places just to prove i'm rite ?
my original response was to a one time poster that printed something that was factually wrong and easily corrected (i dint even have to leave this site on my cellular-telefone during my long lunch) the other stuff they posted is debatable opinion.
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Also going by your logic, Cambridge, MA "is measurably denser" than Boston.
yup, i edited my previous post.


i made this ranking a while ago:
https://www.city-data.com/forum/city-...l#post45591801

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Old 02-17-2017, 03:30 PM
 
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Up to the minute Pop density of cities or boroughs with at least 75,000 population (my best estimates reflecting recent transactions)....

1. Manhattan, NY; 72,826/sq mile
2. Brooklyn, NY; 37,137
3. The Bronx, NY; 34,321
4. Queens, NY; 21,460
5. Somerville, MA; 18,868 (+how many more will come to live at Assembly Row?)
6. San Francisco, CA; 18,451
7. Patterson, NJ; 17,346
8. Cambridge, MA; 17,130 (109,694 + 450 grad student residents)
Cambridge, MA + coll students; 26,648/sq mile (110,144 residents + 60,000 students)
9. Jersey City, NJ; 16,737
10. Boston, MA; **14,000
11. Daly City (San Mateo), CA; 13,843
12. Hawthorne (Los Angeles), CA; 13,800
13. South Gate (Los Angeles), CA; 13,090
14. Santa Ana, (Orange County), CA; 12,451
15. Miami; 12,360
16. Inglewood, (Los Angeles), CA 12,323
17. El Monte (Los Angeles), CA 12,139
18. Chicago; 11,868
19. Philadelphia 11,635
20. Newark, NJ; 11,496
21. Washington DC; 11,158/sq mi

*New York City total pop density; 28,052/sq mi
**assume Boston has reached 677,880 people in the latter part of 2016 or will do so in early 2017.

Major US cities w/ >500,000 pop...

1. New York, NY; 28,052
2. San Francisco, CA; 18,451
3. Boston, MA; 14,000
4. Miami; 12,360
5. Chicago; 11,868
6. Philadelphia, PA; 11,635
7. Washington, DC; 11,158/sq mi

Combined Major US cities w/ New York + Boston/Cambridge/Somerville + SF/Daly City disambigugation >500,000 pop...

1. Manhattan, NY; 72,826
2. Brooklyn, NY; 37,137
3. The Bronx, NY; 34,321
4. Queens, NY; 21,460
5. San Francisco, CA; 17,803
6. Boston, MA; 14,706 [pop 866,925 (677,880 + Cambridge/Somerville 189,045)
7. Miami; 12,360
8. Chicago; 11,868
9. Philadelphia, PA; 11,635
10. Washington, DC; 11,158
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Old 02-17-2017, 08:27 PM
 
Location: Boston Metrowest (via the Philly area)
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i dont think so. i just did a quick check on city-data. can you please add up the numbers for all the cities you think are applicable so we can compare ? (places like somerville, cambridge are actually denser than boston so they would pull the average up if anything).

i would do it but i am trying to finish some stuff at work and a few folks took today friday off to maximize their presidents day weekend so i have to catch up.

i'll have to look but i think metro boston is denser than metro philly.

what does sfh mean ?
The nutshell explanation: Boston has higher peak density, but Philly has more consistent, widespread density. I know this has been pointed out in several past threads based on a very interesting analysis by poster nei. I'd also argue that because Boston is ridiculously chock full of college students that it's pop. density numbers are higher than its structural density would indicate (think crowded off-campus housing).

Overall, they're very similar, and certainly within the same tier, particularly at the metro level (they are both structured very similarly with very dense cores that quickly transition into leafy, much lower-density suburbs with very strict zoning).
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Old 02-18-2017, 08:03 AM
 
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i can probably get creative and find an oblong contiguous tract of land in boston that is somewhat more dense than philly (the same way they gerrymander electoral districts); it would probably be easier to grow boston into 142 square miles and include places like somerville, cambridge, chelsea, ... and ignore less dense places just to prove i'm rite ?
my original response was to a one time poster that printed something that was factually wrong and easily corrected (i dint even have to leave this site on my cellular-telefone during my long lunch) the other stuff they posted is debatable opinion.
yup, i edited my previous post.


i made this ranking a while ago:
https://www.city-data.com/forum/city-...l#post45591801
1. Philadelphia's land area is not 142 square miles. The area is 134.1 square miles.
2. You cannot find a continuous 134.1 square miles of land of Boston and surrounding areas that is more dense than Philly.
3. As I said before, Philly is a significantly larger city than Boston both in population and area. So, if you shrink Philly down to Boston's 48 sq miles of land, Philly is significantly more dense than Boston.
4. You are factually wrong and not the poster that you were responding to. He said that Philly has more density Boston which is factually accurate.
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Old 02-18-2017, 09:24 AM
 
Location: (six-cent-dix-sept)
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1. Philadelphia's land area is not 142 square miles. The area is 134.1 square miles.
2. You cannot find a continuous 134.1 square miles of land of Boston and surrounding areas that is more dense than Philly.
3. As I said before, Philly is a significantly larger city than Boston both in population and area. So, if you shrink Philly down to Boston's 48 sq miles of land, Philly is significantly more dense than Boston.
4. You are factually wrong and not the poster that you were responding to. He said that Philly has more density Boston which is factually accurate.
fair enough. i understand where you are coming from. mite you have any stats from census.gov or something ?
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