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By the way, I have NEVER seen a definition of the Pacific Northwest that did not include Vancouver or British Columbia. However, I HAVE seen many definitions of the Deep South omit Florida.
You can make a case for Tallahassee or Jacksonville being part of the Deep South, but Miami is far too isolated to merit consideration.
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Based on the states that were included from the South. I quess I would take PNW. Now if east TX, NC, and Florida were in the mix I would choose the South in a flash. Out of the states mentioned only Georgia and Louisiana has any interest to me.
Okay. So let's get this right. British Columbia isn't part of the Pacific Northwest, nor is anything east of the Cascade Mountains. But everything from the east coast to beyond the Mississippi River is part of the Deep South, and you think that Florida should be included, too. Are you sure you don't want Texas?
Look, the parameters of the two regions was set by the OP. Deal with it.
The OP. can set the parameters but cant channge geographic boundries. Seattle , Portland , and Vancouver are very connected cities. The Cascades rail line connects the 3 cities its a rail line owned by Washington and ran by Amtrack using french Talgo Trains and when the billion dollar of track improvments are finished will run 120 miles an hour between the three cities. As for boundries I would go with the generalized boundries of the Pacific Northwest wich includes OR. , Wa. , ID. , and B.C. see wikapedia.
Just because Atlanta has heavy rail, it's a tie? Portland, Seattle, and Vancouver all have rail rapid transit systems. A quick comparison of average weekday ridership-- MARTA carries approximately 400,000, Seattle agencies about 600,000, and Vancouver takes the cake at a whopping 1.2 million weekday boardings, and that's with a metro population that's less than half that of Atlanta's.
Actually MARTA has the eighth highest ridership in the country among rapid transit systems - carrying 217,600 passengers per day while Central Link and the streetcar carry only 29,800 passengers per day. When combining bus ridership with rapid transit and commuter rail ridership, Sound Transit has 430,000 average daily boardings while MARTA has 408,000 daily boardings.
When you also consider the fact that Sound Transit covers a much larger portion of its respective metro area than MARTA, one could argue that it's virtually a tie between Seattle and Atlanta when it comes to transit.
Actually MARTA has the eighth highest ridership in the country among rapid transit systems - carrying 217,600 passengers per day while Central Link and the streetcar carry only 29,800 passengers per day. When combining bus ridership with rapid transit and commuter rail ridership, Sound Transit has 430,000 average daily boardings while MARTA has 408,000 daily boardings.
When you also consider the fact that Sound Transit covers a much larger portion of its respective metro area than MARTA, one could argue that it's virtually a tie between Seattle and Atlanta when it comes to transit.
But of course Central Link carries fewer passengers than MARTA-- it's much less expansive and much much newer. Not a good comparison.
Just for the record, Sound Transit is just one of six transit agencies in the Seattle area-- it only serves regional corridors. All the agencies combined carry about 600,000 daily boardings (see Q4 2012 APTA ridership report).
I'm not saying MARTA is terrible-- I'm only suggesting that it's much more difficult to build a functional regional transit system in Atlanta because it's so sprawling outside the city proper.
But of course Central Link carries fewer passengers than MARTA-- it's much less expansive and much much newer. Not a good comparison.
Just for the record, Sound Transit is just one of six transit agencies in the Seattle area-- it only serves regional corridors. All the agencies combined carry about 600,000 daily boardings (see Q4 2012 APTA ridership report).
When comparing rapid transit systems, the Central Link/MARTA comparison is very relevant. MARTA is nothing to sneeze at as it moves hundreds of thousands of people per day and is the eighth largest transit system in the country. Coincidentally if Seattle hadn't refused FTA funding for heavy rail back in the 70s and 80s, then we wouldn't have been able to build MARTA.
Also MARTA isn't the only transit provider in Metro Atlanta, as we also have two counties with their own bus system - CCT and GCT; as well as a regional commuter bus system - GRTA Xpress. Combined they contribute 50,000 additional average daily boardings in the metro area.
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I'm not saying MARTA is terrible-- I'm only suggesting that it's much more difficult to build a functional regional transit system in Atlanta because it's so sprawling outside the city proper.
Actually the real reason why it's difficult to build a regional transit system in Atlanta is that we have too many counties and local jurisdictions - all of whom enjoy home rule, or a large degree of sovereignty. Trying to get 20 counties to agree on anything is like herding cats.
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