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And an Irish, Italian or German immigrant in 1920 was "stealing" jobs of the white Protestants that dominated at the time.
Again, if your family came to the U.S. prior to 1965, you are a blatant hypocrite if you criticize undocumented immigration. Someone should ship you back where you came from.
that's bs. they weren't illegal. these two scenarios we have here are completely different. they came with papers and names. now they run across the border, take jobs we already don't have enough of, pay no taxes, and send money back over the border. we lose at least 4 times per immigrant. 5 times if they're a criminal. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1834117/posts
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that's bs. they weren't illegal. these two scenarios we have here are completely different. they came with papers and names. now they run across the border, take jobs we already don't have enough of, pay no taxes, and send money back over the border. we lose 4 times per immigrant.
You're just making stuff up. Turn off the Fox News.
1. Prior to 1965 there was no such thing as "legal papers". This is a post-65 development. If you came before '65 you were not required to apply for legal immigrant status
2. Foreigners aren't "taking our jobs". Are you a seasonal fruit picker or something? Foreigners generally take the unwanted jobs.
They also eventually create new jobs because of their entrepreuenrial nature, which is why the heaviest immigrant areas are also the richest with the most dynamic econmies.
Why are NYC, SF and DC metros so rich? Immigrants play a major role in wealth creation.
Why is Brooklyn booming and Detroit dying? One factor is that Brooklyn has massive immigration, and Detroit has almost none.
3. Regarding taxes, undocumented immigrants DO pay taxes, yet they get almost nothing in return. They all pay income and social security taxes, but they will never receive the social security benefits, because they are using false ID numbers.
I know undocumented immigrants, and they all do this. So they are actually paying the same as everyone else, but receiving nothing in return. And, of course, undocumented immigrants pay the same sales taxes and user taxes (tolls, car registration, etc.) as everyone else.
And undocumted immigrants aren't eligible for Welfare, Medicaid, or Medicare, because all these programs require legit social security numbers. They are also incarcerated at a MUCH lower rate than legal U.S. citizens.
so if i go claim a vacant lot as mine and put a tent up on it and someone buys it, is it still mine? besides that, there's also evidence that euros were in north america before "native" americans. read it and if you disagree feel free to find evidence debunking it. First Americans May Have Been European | LiveScience
to you polo89, ellis island was legal immigration. whether some people changed their names or not isn't the point. now we're more advanced regarding immigration and now we have the means to enforce it. "give me your poor, your weak, your hungry..." yeah, give me them legally and only when we have friggin jobs to spare. oh i feel bad for the poor illegals, driving american workers into poverty. so we'll accept poverty from mexico only to turn americans to poverty? http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/get-...americans.html
No one bought the land from the Indians. No one gave the Algonquin tribe money in exchange for killing them and seizing the land. Other than Manhattan Island, which was legally purchased according to the European method of land ownership, there was no other land purchase.
If buying land to you means forcing people off of where they hunt, fish, and farm, and live, then you have serious issues.
1. Prior to 1965 there was no such thing as "legal papers". This is a post-65 development. If you came before '65 you were not required to apply for legal immigrant status
there was no such thing as illegal immigration either and they still had to prove identity and find someone who could vouch for them. it wasn't illegal immigration like we have today, which is illegal by definition. whether or not laws were in place back then doesn't mean anything now. new laws were put into place and we should expect them to be obeyed by immigrants.
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2. Foreigners aren't "taking our jobs". Are you a seasonal fruit picker or something? Foreigners generally take the unwanted jobs
really? i can't find a job right now. i'd love to go load some wood at home depot right now. i'd clean hotels too. i'd work as a janitor too. don't tell me what i'd want right now and don't speak for the 15 million + unemployed americans.
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They also eventually create new jobs because of their entrepreuenrial nature, which is why the heaviest immigrant areas are also the richest with the most dynamic econmies.
they make the rich richer. and they don't make the honest business owners richer, they make the crooked ones richer. yet you support that? make up your mind. they do exactly what you liberals hate. make the crooked rich guys richer.
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Why are NYC, SF and DC metros so rich? Immigrants play a major role in wealth creation. Why is Brooklyn booming and Detroit dying? One factor is that Brooklyn has massive immigration, and Detroit has almost none.
because that's where the high paying jobs are? ever heard of wall street? if immigrants make cities richer, why isn't phoenix loaded? el paso? miami? brooklyn is "booming" because of yuppies. not immigrants.
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3. Regarding taxes, undocumented immigrants DO pay taxes, yet they get almost nothing in return. They all pay income and social security taxes, but they will never receive the social security benefits, because they are using false ID numbers.
exactly what income tax do they pay if they're paid under the table? and did it ever occur to you they steal ssi?
Illegal, but Not Undocumented: Identity Theft, Document Fraud, and Illegal Employment | Center for Immigration Studies "The Social Security Administration and Internal Revenue Service facilitate illegal immigrant-driven identity theft. Both turn a blind eye to massive SSN fraud and take no action to stop it. The Social Security Administration assigns SSNs to new-born infants that are being used illegally. The IRS demands that victims pay taxes on wages earned by illegal aliens using their stolen SSNs, while taking no action to stop the identity theft."
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I know undocumented immigrants, and they all do this. So they are actually paying the same as everyone else, but receiving nothing in return. And, of course, undocumented immigrants pay the same sales taxes and user taxes (tolls, car registration, etc.) as everyone else.
Complain to the Republican majority in the US House. The Republicans are the reason we do not have immigration reform. The Republican Party has consistently blocked it for two reasons.
1. They assume most immigrants who will benefit will vote Democratic
2. Republican business owners reap huge profits off of illegal immigrant labor and they have exerted pressure on Republican elected officials to not do anything about immigration.
Prior to this recession, Phoenix and Miami were booming.
El Paso is not wealthy because it is a border town. Border towns (other than San Diego for some reason) tend to be highly transient, which often results in high poverty, crime, and other problems.
Native Americans were here 1st. Even if they weren't native. Anyways, illegal aliens are illegal indeed, but this is how immigration has been done for years. Why did we all of sudden have a change of heart? Give me your poor, your tired, your hungry........except for you guys.
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first off, things weren't as well documented back then and immigration workers at ellis island were probably fully aware that all the immigrants had was a ticket. immigrations also regularly changed names for immigrants to sound more american, or english.
now we have laws. just because there was more leeway 100 years ago doesn't mean anything now that we set up stricter laws for that (despite us hardly enforcing it). all immigrants today without proper papers are illegals. as for those overstaying their visas, who the hell said they weren't illegal?
It was OK when they were trying to let over people who were, or could be passed off as Anglo-Saxons (it would seem Australia was worst in this regard: Racism. No Way.: Fact Sheets: The "White Australia" Policy) by changing their name to something more WASPy so that the USA government could finish it's "manifest destiny" (imperial land grabs, and of course, genocide,) but now that the immigrants are more "ethnic" and multicultural, people want to pull up the welcome mats. Although I must admit that the immigrants would be best suited to solving such problems as depopulated towns, urban cores and regions of states as opposed to contributing to such existing problems as suburban sprawl.
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Just thought I'd add to this by adding the origin of foreign born, by state (organized by continent)
According to the US Census Bureau those individuals would technically be considered Latino/Hispanic. There are many Mexicans of indigenous decent but like I said they are considered a different ethnic group/race.
I do agree that some of the succes of this country has been built on immigrants. Ussually cities with alot of foreigners have more stable economies (there are of course exceptions to the rule)
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Hispanics may be of any "race" according to the U.S. Census Bureau. However, while most are multiracial (Mestizo etc.) most classify themselves as just "white" as a result of the racism which prevails in many Spanish speaking countries.
The most widely spoken Amerindian language is Quechua (the language of the Incas) with over 8 million people: A few words on Quechua
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You're just making stuff up. Turn off the Fox News.
1. Prior to 1965 there was no such thing as "legal papers". This is a post-65 development. If you came before '65 you were not required to apply for legal immigrant status
2. Foreigners aren't "taking our jobs". Are you a seasonal fruit picker or something? Foreigners generally take the unwanted jobs.
They also eventually create new jobs because of their entrepreuenrial nature, which is why the heaviest immigrant areas are also the richest with the most dynamic econmies.
Why are NYC, SF and DC metros so rich? Immigrants play a major role in wealth creation.
Why is Brooklyn booming and Detroit dying? One factor is that Brooklyn has massive immigration, and Detroit has almost none.
3. Regarding taxes, undocumented immigrants DO pay taxes, yet they get almost nothing in return. They all pay income and social security taxes, but they will never receive the social security benefits, because they are using false ID numbers.
I know undocumented immigrants, and they all do this. So they are actually paying the same as everyone else, but receiving nothing in return. And, of course, undocumented immigrants pay the same sales taxes and user taxes (tolls, car registration, etc.) as everyone else.
And undocumted immigrants aren't eligible for Welfare, Medicaid, or Medicare, because all these programs require legit social security numbers. They are also incarcerated at a MUCH lower rate than legal U.S. citizens.
Really great points there. This is exactly why we need to find a way of using them to bring new life to dying towns, primarily in the Midwest.
*Note: I don't want to express my opinion about immigration here. PM me if you're interested
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Thanks for sharing the stats (As to you Montclair)
But I prefer percentages. CA is arguably the most diverse state, but it's also enormous- As far as European/African immigration goes, it wouldn't rank nearly as high (percentage wise) as it does using raw numbers.
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NY, Texas and Maryland, among others, seem to have a much higher % of people born in Africa than California.
Everything is on the American Community Survey website, if you just play around with it a little bit.
Of the total population: that's a bit more difficult and involves a lot more math. I don't know how to use excel that well, so if someone could do it, that would be awesome! I'll do California, New York, and Texas because they are the ones that would garner the most interest
California
Total foreign born: 26.9% of the total population
Latin American born: 14.7% of the total population
Asian born: 9.4% of the total population
European born: 1.8% of the total population
African born: .0039% of the total population
New York Total foreign born: 21.4% of the total population
Latin American born: 10.4% of the total population
Asian born: 5.6% of the total population
European born: 4.1% of the total population
African born: .0086% of the total population
Texas Total foreign born: 16.1% of the total population
Latin American born: 11.8% of the total population
Asian born: 2.8% of the total population
European born: .0073% of the total population
African born: .0050% of the total population
Keep in mind that Puerto Ricans are obviously not foreign born.
This is relevant because Puerto Ricans are culturally distinct, just like Mexicans or Dominicans, for example, but they don't show up on the stats.
So for NY and NJ, for example, Puerto Ricans are the #1 Latino group, yet they will not be part of the % foreign-born.
It could easily be argued that the NY and NJ foreign-born figures should be even higher than they already are, because their largest "foreign" ethnicity isn't counted.
so if i go claim a vacant lot as mine and put a tent up on it and someone buys it, is it still mine? besides that, there's also evidence that euros were in north america before "native" americans. read it and if you disagree feel free to find evidence debunking it. First Americans May Have Been European | LiveScience
to you polo89, ellis island was legal immigration. whether some people changed their names or not isn't the point. now we're more advanced regarding immigration and now we have the means to enforce it. "give me your poor, your weak, your hungry..." yeah, give me them legally and only when we have friggin jobs to spare. oh i feel bad for the poor illegals, driving american workers into poverty. so we'll accept poverty from mexico only to turn americans to poverty? Do Illegal Workers Take Jobs From Unemployed Americans? - Get Employed!
People are gonna hire who they hire. People act as if they're coming across the border, putting guns to employers heads and saying "Give me that gringos job!!". They're not "stealing" jobs. Think about it this way, if they were immigrating to the US legally en masse, and still getting all the low wage jobs, would that still be considered stealing peoples jobs? And as for that link, it just says the 1st cave men in North America MIGHT, have been European. That doesn't really counter the English arrival and eventual killing and pillaging of Americas lands, it doesn't really say much for how long they occupied the land, or if they were wiped out, or if they returned to there homeland, only what they hunted, and how they MIGHT have gotten there. Either way, it really has nothing to do with the colonization of America.
there was no such thing as illegal immigration either and they still had to prove identity and find someone who could vouch for them. it wasn't illegal immigration like we have today, which is illegal by definition. whether or not laws were in place back then doesn't mean anything now. new laws were put into place and we should expect them to be obeyed by immigrants.
really? i can't find a job right now. i'd love to go load some wood at home depot right now. i'd clean hotels too. i'd work as a janitor too. don't tell me what i'd want right now and don't speak for the 15 million + unemployed americans.
they make the rich richer. and they don't make the honest business owners richer, they make the crooked ones richer. yet you support that? make up your mind. they do exactly what you liberals hate. make the crooked rich guys richer.
because that's where the high paying jobs are? ever heard of wall street? if immigrants make cities richer, why isn't phoenix loaded? el paso? miami? brooklyn is "booming" because of yuppies. not immigrants.
exactly what income tax do they pay if they're paid under the table? and did it ever occur to you they steal ssi?
Illegal, but Not Undocumented: Identity Theft, Document Fraud, and Illegal Employment | Center for Immigration Studies "The Social Security Administration and Internal Revenue Service facilitate illegal immigrant-driven identity theft. Both turn a blind eye to massive SSN fraud and take no action to stop it. The Social Security Administration assigns SSNs to new-born infants that are being used illegally. The IRS demands that victims pay taxes on wages earned by illegal aliens using their stolen SSNs, while taking no action to stop the identity theft."
Me to man. But I think it may be that white guy or that black dude's fault that beat me to it, or it could be the fact that all these darn transplants are moving down here and STEALING all our jobs, rather then just the illegal aliens.
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