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Is It Thomas in the Book of John 20:26-29 ---``And after eight days again disciples were within and Thomas with them then came Jesus the door being shut and stood in the midst and said Peace be unto you..........Then saith he to Thomas,,,, Reach hither your finger and behold my hands and reach hither your hand and thrust it in to my side and be not faithless,, but believing........ and Thomas answered and said... My Lord and my God... .. Jesus said unto him Thomas because you have seen me you have believed blessed are those that have not seen and yet have believed``........ Yes it was eight days after the cross that Thomas eventually believed......... see the part where the doors were closed and Jesus was not with them before but came there through thin air because the the door was shut..... the other disciples came to believe after they seen Jesus the evening of the first day in John 20 :19-20,,,,,, of the Easter morning for the New Creation for Jesus and his Children.....
That's an answer, but is still incorrect. For as much as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of their faith in The Doctrine of Christ Resurrected, the same have knowingly, or perhaps unwittingly strained out Jesus' beloved disciple, and swallowed an apostle. In your case it so happens to be Thomas. As for most every one else, it's the apostle John whom they claim is worthy of the honor, "the disciple whom Jesus loved;" hence the erroneously published title of said Gospel "The Gospel According to John." You were in the correct chapter, but not the correct scripture verse. You read too far...
When did Jesus' beloved disciple come to believe that Jesus was risen from the dead? There is only one correct scriptural answer...
That's an answer, but is still incorrect. For as much as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of their faith in The Doctrine of Christ Resurrected, the same have knowingly, or perhaps unwittingly strained out Jesus' beloved disciple, and swallowed an apostle. In your case it so happens to be Thomas. As for most every one else, it's the apostle John whom they claim is worthy of the honor, "the disciple whom Jesus loved;" hence the erroneously published title of said Gospel "The Gospel According to John." You were in the correct chapter, but not the correct scripture verse. You read too far...
When did Jesus' beloved disciple come to believe that Jesus was risen from the dead? There is only one correct scriptural answer...
John 20:4 So they ran both together; and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came first to the sepulchre.
5 And he stooping down, and looking in saw the linen clothes lying; yet went he not in.
6 Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie,
7 And the napkins, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.
8 Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the sepulchre,and he saw, and believed!
In defense of traditionalism, one must reason that the apostle John did not necessarily believe that Jesus was risen from the dead at the advent of
(John) 20:8, but that he believed Jesus' "overall message." This line of reasoning makes no scriptural sense for two very profound reasons:
1. Jesus' "overall message" is "The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again." Luke 24:7
2.The apostle John neither believed Jesus' overall message, much less that Jesus was risen from the dead at the advent of (John) 20:8 because At the advent of Mark 16:14, which chronologically occurred after the advent of (John) 20:8, the apostle John is counted as one of "the eleven" (apostles) whom Jesus rebuked for unbelief in the testimony of them which saw him after he was risen from the dead.
The apostle John is to be honored as a bold apostolic member of the body of Christ, for Jesus set him so...son of thunder (Mark 3:17); nevertheless, there are many scriptural reasons why the apostle John could not possibly be "that other disciple" at the advent of (John) 20:8, and all of them easily validated by the plain text of scripture. Notwithstanding, the greatest measure by which the greatest degree of scriptural certainty might be achieved in discerning the true identity of him whose testimony we know by faith is true is simply, BELIEF IN CHRIST RESURRECTED...which without, Jesus' beloved disciple could not have had any good reason to testify thereby, much less whereby to write. While the cumulative weight of circumstantial evidence appears to tip the authorship scales of the Fourth Gospel toward a more traditional conclusion, after nearly two thousand years of speculations, debates, and bloody conflagrations over such a seeming secondary issue, this traditional view is merely a theory, because it remains absolutely impossible to validate as true based solely upon the plain text of scripture. Besides, if it were possible for a doctrinal tradition of men to bridge the gap between hearing the truth for the first time...JESUS CHRIST IS RISEN FROM THE DEAD...and knowing with the greatest degree of scriptural certainty whom exactly it was that had "testified of and wrote these things," then any debate over authorship of this Gospel Testimony would never have been necessary as a means of determining it's authenticity, much less it's "canonicity."
When I first heard the good news of Jesus Christ, God's only begotten Son...how that he was delivered into the hands of sinful men and was crucified, and was buried, and the third day rose again from the dead, I rejoiced, and was comforted by what God has so graciously wrought for me, a sinner...and I believed. Know therefore, and understand, that if I follow John the son of thunder to "the heart of Jesus," which is the Fourth Gospel...that would be contrary to what I first believed when I heard the report. The traditional view claiming authorship of the Fourth Gospel on behalf of the apostle John, is a doctrinal presupposition teaching that unbelief precedes belief in The Doctrine of Christ Resurrected...a doctrine contrary to what the Very Gospel of Christ teaches. It is akin to the evolutionary view that teaches death precedes sin. Both of these views are obstinacy in the face of scriptural reality.
Only a man whom first believed that Jesus was risen from the dead the moment he came to the realization of what he evidently hoped for could lend the greatest degree of credibility as a reliable eye-witness to testify, and write that we might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God. Only a man whom Jesus raised from the dead could lend the greatest degree of credibility as a reliable eye-witness to testify of, and write that Jesus Christ is risen from the dead.
Only a man whom Jesus raised from the dead could lend the greatest degree of credibility as a reliable eye-witness to testify of, and write that Jesus Christ is risen from the dead.
I had to read your post 3 times in order to really comprehend your point.
Is he whom you meant? John 1:6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
There were two people who died before Jesus, Lazarus and John the Baptist.
I'm not questioning to debate...I'm just really curious...
"Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed." (John) 20:8 KJV.
Aside from the obvious, "Behold how he loved him!{(John) 11:36}, only Lazarus of Bethany would have understood the significance of Jesus' face cloth folded together in a place by itself...only Lazarus, having recently removed his own burial face cloth the moment his hands were liberated to do so, would have been comforted by what the careful, and quite deliberate placement of Jesus' face cloth signified...only Lazarus could have known how to read this unveiled message between resurrected friends, hidden in plain sight. It was, and still is "by reason of Lazarus that many Jews go their way believing on Jesus {(John) 12:11}. The resurrection of Lazarus was an insidious affront to the authority of the chief priests'...for they realized if Lazarus remained alive, then any oral, and written testimony submitted by him for Christ's sake would have so much more authority, and strength to it because he already experienced death according to God's command (Gen.3:19; Heb.9:27).
"For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth." Heb. 9:16,17 KJV.
Since Lazarus already fulfilled this "necessity" as one who testifies of the truth, his testimony had (has) more strength, and force to it while he yet "remained" (remains) than it ever would have had he testified, and wrote these things before he died the first time. This is the very reason why "the chief priests' consulted that they might put Lazarus also to death; because that by reason of him many of the Jews went away (from the counsel of the chief priests'), and believed on Jesus. (John) 11:10,11 KJV. Those bastard priests' in authority back then were very worried that they might lose their prestige, and lots of money. Nothing has changed...imagine the loss of positional authority certain men, and women enjoy, and the profits they would lose should there be a great falling away from the lie...the apostle John is Jesus' beloved disciple...veiled by the truth...JESUS CHRIST IS RISEN FROM THE DEAD. While it is possible to follow this apostle so beloved of men to the heart of Jesus, beware lest you find yourself wandering around in a desert of scriptural uncertainty, faltering between two opinions: belief in what one at first, only heard...JESUS CHRIST IS RISEN FROM THE DEAD...and unbelief in what the apostle John also at first, only heard.
Imagine if Jesus raised you from the dead...would you not desire to follow the voice of him who raised you? or to sit at the same table with him? or to lay in his bosom?
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There is only one scriptural answer...
The Gospel Testimony of Jesus' beloved disciple
answer, but is still incorrect. For as much as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of their faith in The Doctrine of Christ Resurrected, the same have knowingly, or perhaps unwittingly strained out Jesus' beloved disciple, and swallowed an apostle. In your case it so happens to be Thomas. As for most every one else, it's the apostle John whom they claim is worthy of the honor, "the disciple whom Jesus loved;" hence the erroneously published title of said Gospel "The Gospel According to John." You were in the correct chapter, but not the correct scripture verse. You read too far...
The Gospel Testimony of Jesus' beloved disciple
