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When you are reading those scriptures, where does it say that they are in the presence of God?
Rev 14:9 If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, 10he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.
When you are reading those scriptures, where does it say that they are in the presence of God?
Re 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
Well that is a good point to raise. So this lamb and these holy angels get to sit and watch this forever? Is this what some of us get to look forward too in heaven?
It often is interesting that we can enjoy watching something of beauty being formed through the means of fire. Ever watch a marble maker hand make a marble with glass rods and a propane torch? It's fascinating, the process is enjoyable because a thing of beauty results from it. If you have never seen it, while you are watching you are expecting a thing of beauty to form because that's what's PROMISED.
Now begs the question, what are they actually in the presence of,. ETERNAL torture, or a process forming a thing of beauty?
Re 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
Well that is a good point to raise. So this lamb and these holy angels get to sit and watch this forever? Is this what some of us get to look forward too in heaven?
It often is interesting that we can enjoy watching something of beauty being formed through the means of fire. Ever watch a marble maker hand make a marble with glass rods and a propane torch? It's fascinating, the process is enjoyable because a thing of beauty results from it. If you have never seen it, while you are watching you are expecting a thing of beauty to form because that's what's PROMISED.
Now begs the question, what are they actually in the presence of,. ETERNAL torture, or a process forming a thing of beauty?
God says is you make your bed in Hell I am there, but where does is say that the person who is in hell, will then be with God in heaven. You didn't comment on the scriptures that I was asking about.
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Now begs the question, what are they actually in the presence of,. ETERNAL torture, or a process forming a thing of beaut
That's an interesting question, does the scripture say that the process is a thing of beauty, or for punishment?
God is everywhere, He is Omnipresent, but where does the scripture say that the person is and where they are not? It seems like people are making reading scripture harder than what it is. There is nothing in this scripture that says that God is doing this for a thing of beauty, that is your saying!!
God says is you make your bed in Hell I am there, but where does is say that the person who is in hell, will then be with God in heaven. You didn't comment on the scriptures that I was asking about.
That's an interesting question, does the scripture say that the process is a thing of beauty, or for punishment?
As Jesus ever entered the place of eternal torture ? Sorry Phazelwood this question is not meant for you.
God says is you make your bed in Hell I am there, but where does is say that the person who is in hell, will then be with God in heaven. You didn't comment on the scriptures that I was asking about.
Ps 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
If his soul is not left in hell, then where will it go?
AV Ps 86:13 For great [is] thy mercy toward me: and thou hast delivered my soul from the lowest hell.
If his soul is delivered, where is it delivered to?
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That's an interesting question, does the scripture say that the process is a thing of beauty, or for punishment?
Well, what else would deliverance be, whether we enjoy every aspect of the means? But if we look at it as a refiners fire. Is God a refiner? or is he just a punisher?
Is not his wrath towards us when he makes us better a wrath with love and the end result is beauty? Are all the verses telling us that it is no strange thing to go through a fiery trial not about the refiners fire to correct us and make us better and beautiful in the manner in which God has determined?
Mal 3:2 Yet who will endure the day of His coming? And who will stand when He appears? For He is coming like a refiner's fire, and as launderers' soap.
Ps 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
If his soul is not left in hell, then where will it go?
AV Ps 86:13 For great [is] thy mercy toward me: and thou hast delivered my soul from the lowest hell.
If his soul is delivered, where is it delivered to?
Well, what else would deliverance be, whether we enjoy every aspect of the means? But if we look at it as a refiners fire. Is God a refiner? or is he just a punisher?
Is not his wrath towards us when he makes us better a wrath with love and the end result is beauty? Are all the verses telling us that it is no strange thing to go through a fiery trial not about the refiners fire to correct us and make us better and beautiful in the manner in which God has determined?
Mal 3:2 Yet who will endure the day of His coming? And who will stand when He appears? For He is coming like a refiner's fire, and as launderers' soap.
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Ps 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Who is writing this and who is not writing this?
Apostle Paul confirmed again that Prophet David spoke about Lord Jesus in Psalm 16: 10 and not about himself. God had promised the Prophet that Lord Jesus would rise again and that He would reign forever. Lord Jesus’ resurrection from the dead remains the key to our faith, since we are hopeless otherwise.
What does the word corruption mean? In New Testament scriptures it is translated as diaphthora, meaning the corruption of the body after death. Jesus never experienced this corruption because death could not hold Him. When He rose again, He put on an incorruptible body that was able to ascend and descend to heaven, go through walls, appear and disappear and never die again. This is the hope that we have, according to 1 Corinthians 15:17.
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Ps 86:13 For great [is] thy mercy toward me: and thou hast delivered my soul from the lowest hell.
This is a prayer of David, not saying what is going to happen to the people who are being punished. Does it say that the people who are being punished in this verse will then be in heaven?
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Mal 3:2 Yet who will endure the day of His coming? And who will stand when He appears? For He is coming like a refiner's fire, and as launderers' soap
Ok, I see and understand what this scripture is saying. But where does it say that those who are in hell who are being punished will then be in heaven?
31He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soulwas not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
And hell is eternal torture right ?
Once again you are making it harder than what it is, I never said that Jesus never went to hell, He is God of course He can go there. He want be punished in Hell unlike some, He will be in heaven.
His soul was not left, does it say that our souls will not be left or His.?
I take scripture for what it says, and I don't add to it. It said that His soul was not left, because it is talking about the actual event of what happened, it says His flesh not ours.
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