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Old 07-13-2009, 06:34 AM
 
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"We" are only those who believe, not all of humanity.


Everyone believes at a different time. So when you once didn't believe, you would not have accepted that you would eventually be saved, so according to your logic, you couldn't believe now.

But since your logic is in error, you do believe now.

The problem is not that the declaration that God will have all men saved did not apply to you because you didn't believe. It did apply to you, you just didn't believe it at the time.

So all believers were once not believers and all unbelievers are eventually saved.
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Old 07-13-2009, 06:50 AM
 
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Excellent. God bless.
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Old 07-13-2009, 08:26 AM
 
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Everyone believes at a different time. So when you once didn't believe, you would not have accepted that you would eventually be saved, so according to your logic, you couldn't believe now.

But since your logic is in error, you do believe now.

The problem is not that the declaration that God will have all men saved did not apply to you because you didn't believe. It did apply to you, you just didn't believe it at the time.

So all believers were once not believers and all unbelievers are eventually saved.
All the elect were once unbelievers, but never unsaved [children of the devil]..they have always been Justified before God..

They have been unconverted, but never unsaved..and the devil and his children will never be saved, this is their portion: matt 25

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Jesus presents them with hopelessness here to:

Matt 23:

32Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
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Old 07-13-2009, 09:22 AM
 
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All the elect were once unbelievers, but never unsaved [children of the devil]..they have always been Justified before God..

They have been unconverted, but never unsaved..and the devil and his children will never be saved, this is their portion: matt 25

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Jesus presents them with hopelessness here to:

Matt 23:

32Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?


You haven't resolved the contradictions I have shown to your doctrine, all your left with is an empty claim that God's gonna get me one day.

Fine, I will await your monster as you gleefully hope for my destruction.

In the meantime, I will share the good news of what I believe.

That's just how it's gonna be. Get over it.
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Old 07-13-2009, 09:25 AM
 
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You haven't resolved the contradictions I have shown to your doctrine
The contradictions are in your blinded mind..they will never be resolved unless your an elect and God converts you from your sinful ways..
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Old 07-13-2009, 09:34 AM
 
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The contradictions are in your blinded mind..they will never be resolved unless your an elect and God converts you from your sinful ways..
You have already shown the contradiction to your God himself in many of your own comments. Anyone can accuse another of being blinded, proves nothing, demonstrates nothing.

God converts everyone from their sinful ways and that will be testified in due time.

That's just how it is, like it or not right now.
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Old 07-13-2009, 09:38 AM
 
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You have already shown the contradiction to your God himself in many of your own comments
The contradictions are in your blinded mind

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Anyone can accuse another of being blinded,
You are..
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Old 07-13-2009, 09:45 AM
 
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The contradictions are in your blinded mind
Again, your doctrine betrays your own God and God did it. Self contradictory doctrine and not even something to consider.



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You are..
Self contradictory claim according to your own doctrine. You cannot prove, "you are" and you cannot assert that "you are not" no way to get around it.

You could have strong delusion to believe the lie that your an elect.

That's just how it is.
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Old 07-13-2009, 10:13 AM
 
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Again, your doctrine betrays your own God and God did it.
In your blined mind..
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Old 07-13-2009, 11:14 AM
 
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In your blined mind..

Of course you will say that, but your own words have said that it is God that does it. Do you deny your own doctrine now?
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