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Old 03-27-2020, 09:07 AM
 
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"Put your faith in God, not a desired outcome. For when you subject God to a desired outcome, you are the one calling the shots and become your own god - which is idolatry." -DRob4JC-

 
Old 03-27-2020, 11:26 AM
 
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Alternate C

Since faith is more precious than gold to God (1 Peter 1:7), have enough faith in God to give Him room to do whatever He wants with the people He created... regardless of whether or not we agree with Him.
...talk about the blind, leading the blind.
 
Old 03-27-2020, 12:33 PM
 
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Nuts for Calvinists to crack

“Although a Calvinist myself for more than thirty years, the scriptures declaring God’s infinite love, and the plain teachings of Jesus my Lord on the subject of love, mercy and truth, finally sank my theological ship. This left me searching for the truth as it is in Jesus. Finally I was convinced by the overwhelming number of Scriptures that our great God and Heavenly Father truly does, without partiality, love the whole world, and He will in His own time and in His own way finally reconcile all men unto Himself.

Arminianism and Calvinism both represent each other as the method for God’s work in salvation, and both vigorously reject the final reconciliation of all men. -C.R. Bierbower

The Purpose Of God

http://www.theheraldofgodsgrace.org/...rposeOfGod.htm

The Triumph Of Love

http://www.theheraldofgodsgrace.org/...umphOfLove.htm
 
Old 03-28-2020, 07:23 AM
 
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The terms translated ‘forever’ and ‘everlasting’ and ‘never’ are human perversions which could never have deceived us if they had been consistently rendered.

They denote definite divisions of time called ages or eons. All together they form a distinct portion of time called eonian times.

Destruction, like salvation, is eonian.

It is not the end or aim of God. God destroys nothing that He will not restore. He loses nothing that will not return to Him laden with praise and glory for Himself.

Destruction is a passing process, not a finished goal.

Through God it will work out the welfare of all of His creatures and the glory of our Savior. -A.E. Knoch -
 
Old 03-28-2020, 09:21 AM
 
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“I, for one, freely confess that, without a knowledge of the consummation, when God will reconcile all and become All in all, I could not have confidence in a deity who allowed the world to work itself into such a mess, and who can do little more for most men than to sweep them into destruction, extinction or torment.

But now, how can I distrust God?

Mankind is just where He has brought it. The effect of all the present evil and distress will be salutary. God will get glory out of it, and men will be prepared by it to appreciate the gifts He has in store for them all.”

The corrective effects of kolasis aionios last forever.

But as a means to an end, it will not last any longer than is necessary to produce the end for which it exists in the first place.

When we finally weary of our own selfishness, petty jealousies, and lust for power; when we learn at last, perhaps through bitter experience, that these lead only to ruin and cannot bring enduring happiness, that nothing short of union with God and reconciliation with others will satisfy our own deepest yearnings; when we discover that the Hound of Heaven has finally closed off every alternative to such a union, we shall then, each of us, finally embrace the destiny that is ours.” -A.E. Knoch-
 
Old 03-28-2020, 01:06 PM
 
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Dr. Thomas Talbott- The Inescapable Love of God - 2nd Edition

http://www.thomastalbott.com/pdf/chapter3.pdf

http://www.thomastalbott.com/pdf/chapter5.pdf

http://www.thomastalbott.com/pdf/Chapter11.pdf
 
Old 03-28-2020, 04:18 PM
 
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The terms translated ‘forever’ and ‘everlasting’ and ‘never’ are human perversions which could never have deceived us if they had been consistently rendered.

They denote definite divisions of time called ages or eons. All together they form a distinct portion of time called eonian times.

Destruction, like salvation, is eonian.

It is not the end or aim of God. God destroys nothing that He will not restore. He loses nothing that will not return to Him laden with praise and glory for Himself.

Destruction is a passing process, not a finished goal.

Through God it will work out the welfare of all of His creatures and the glory of our Savior. -A.E. Knoch -


Here's your problem.

If you take those meanings out out the Bible, then God is temporary as well.

Isaiah 40:28 - Do you not know? Have you not heard? The Everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth Does not become weary or tired His understanding is inscrutable.
 
Old 03-28-2020, 04:29 PM
 
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“I, for one, freely confess that, without a knowledge of the consummation, when God will reconcile all and become All in all, I could not have confidence in a deity who allowed the world to work itself into such a mess, and who can do little more for most men than to sweep them into destruction, extinction or torment.

But now, how can I distrust God?

Mankind is just where He has brought it. The effect of all the present evil and distress will be salutary. God will get glory out of it, and men will be prepared by it to appreciate the gifts He has in store for them all.”

The corrective effects of kolasis aionios last forever.

But as a means to an end, it will not last any longer than is necessary to produce the end for which it exists in the first place.

When we finally weary of our own selfishness, petty jealousies, and lust for power; when we learn at last, perhaps through bitter experience, that these lead only to ruin and cannot bring enduring happiness, that nothing short of union with God and reconciliation with others will satisfy our own deepest yearnings; when we discover that the Hound of Heaven has finally closed off every alternative to such a union, we shall then, each of us, finally embrace the destiny that is ours.” -A.E. Knoch-
Does this person really have faith in God only when God lines up with his belief system?

If so - is that really even faith?

Is he putting himself as God and making everyone else (including the true, everlasting God) line up with what he believes?
 
Old 03-29-2020, 02:20 AM
 
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At-one-ment

“We are told of a god who created millions of beings whom he intends for endless torments and puts His whole design into execution; and this is called supreme goodness.

In millions of cases this god finds it most for his glory to make his rational, hoping, wanting creatures endlessly miserable.

We are likewise told of a devil who acts for his own gratification, and who delights in making God’s creatures miserable; and this is called badness.

Shall we thus represent our kind and merciful Father from Whom streams of goodness continually flow to His wanting, needing creatures?

No; let every vibration of sense within us acknowledge His bountiful hand which will never close.” -Hosea Ballou-
 
Old 03-29-2020, 08:46 AM
 
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“Sinners do not go away into everlasting punishment. They go into eonian correction. Thank God for the Concordant literal translation, which some in their blindness are condemning. When leaders in the church today condemn something I would be the first one to rush out and get it and examine it for myself. Do not make the mistake of thinking that the majority have the truth It has never been that way and it is not now.

The unscriptural tradition assigning a limit beyond which Christ has no power to save the obstinate sinner has spread universally. It is worldwide.

It claims that the will of man can successfully oppose the power and will of God.

“God wills all mankind to be saved” (1Tim.2:4).

Let us follow our Lord in His denunciation of tradition that makes void the word of God. Let us revel in the full extent of Christ’s work and God’s victory for all mankind.” -Charles J. Peart-
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