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Do you believe that as part of the Mosaic Law God commanded that a person be put to death for speaking evil of father or mother?
Before you answer, be aware that Jesus said that it was a command of God (as part of the Mosaic Law which we are not under today). Jesus said that the Pharisees were guilty of breaking the command of God for the sake of their tradition.
Matthew 15:3 And He (Jesus) answered and said to them, "Why do you yourselves transgress the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition? 4]"For God said, 'HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER,' and, 'HE WHO SPEAKS EVIL OF FATHER OR MOTHER IS TO BE PUT TO DEATH.'5] "But you say, 'Whoever says to his father or mother, "Whatever I have that would help you has been given to God," 6] he is not to honor his father or his mother.' And by this you invalidated the word of God for the sake of your tradition.
Speaks evil of - kakologeó
Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 2551: κακολογέω
κακολογέω, κακολόγω; 1 aorist infinitive κακολογῆσαί; (κακολόγος); equivalent to κακῶς λέγω (which the old grammarians prefer, see Lob. ad Phryn., p. 200);
1. to speak ill of, revile, abuse, one; to calumniate, traduce: τινα, Mark 9:39; τί, Acts 19:9; (2 Macc. 4:1; Lysias, Plutarch, others).
Here are the Old Testament passages which Jesus quoted and asserted to be true.
Exodus 20:12 "Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be prolonged in the land which the LORD your God gives you.
Exodus 21:17 "He who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death.
Leviticus 20:9 If there is anyone who curses his father or his mother, he shall surely be put to death; he has cursed his father or his mother, his bloodguiltiness is upon him.
Did Jesus speak of the true nature of God when He said that God commanded that those who speak evil of father and mother were to be put to death? Do you believe Jesus? Or do you not believe Jesus?
I posted the above in post #263 of another thread https://www.city-data.com/forum/chris...eve-bible.html and addressed it to a specifc person who has not replied to it. Therefore, I will ask any of you who claim that the Old Testament misrepresents God, to answer it.
Jesus said with regard to the Mosaic Law which Israel was under that God commanded that those who speak evil of father or mother were to be put to death (capital punishment).
Do you believe Jesus?
If you say that you believe Jesus then you have to accept that under the Mosaic Law (which the Church is not under) God, who is love but who is also just and righteous commanded the death penalty for those who dishonored their parents.
If you say that you don't believe Jesus ...
And I want to limit the topic of this thread to what Jesus said in Matthew 15:3-6 with reference to Exodus 20:12, 21:17 and Leviticus 20:9 . I am not asking about any other passages mentioned in the Old Testament. Please simply answer what I have asked.
Did God (who is love) command that those who speak evil of father or mother be put to death? Jesus said that He did. Can you accept that?
Are none of you 'God is love' people going to answer this?
Give us chance Goliath I have only just seen it/got up.
If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die. You must purge the evil from Israel. Deut 22:22
"If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her
Jesus straightened up and asked her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?"
"No one, sir," she said. "Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."
I posted the above in post #263 of another thread https://www.city-data.com/forum/chris...eve-bible.html and addressed it to a specifc person who has not replied to it. Therefore, I will ask any of you who claim that the Old Testament misrepresents God, to answer it.
Jesus said with regard to the Mosaic Law which Israel was under that God commanded that those who speak evil of father or mother were to be put to death (capital punishment).
Do you believe Jesus?
If you say that you believe Jesus then you have to accept that under the Mosaic Law (which the Church is not under) God, who is love but who is also just and righteous commanded the death penalty for those who dishonored their parents.
If you say that you don't believe Jesus ...
And I want to limit the topic of this thread to what Jesus said in Matthew 15:3-6 with reference to Exodus 20:12, 21:17 and Leviticus 20:9 . I am not asking about any other passages mentioned in the Old Testament. Please simply answer what I have asked.
Did God (who is love) command that those who speak evil of father or mother be put to death? Jesus said that He did. Can you accept that?
I believe the reason Jesus mentioned that law, was merely to show the religious hypocrites that the very law they said they upheld, they didn't do.
Does Jesus put misbehaving children to death? No. We have no account of Jesus putting little children to death.
And since Jesus assured us that the Heavenly Father is the same way, we know that putting little children to death is not God-like.
Thank you Jesus, for showing us what God is really like!
Give us chance Goliath I have only just seen it/got up.
If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die. You must purge the evil from Israel. Deut 22:22
"If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her
Jesus straightened up and asked her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?"
"No one, sir," she said. "Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."
Address the issue. Jesus said that God commanded that those who speak evil of father or mother be put to death (under the Mosaic Law which the Church is not under).
Do you believe Jesus? And can you 'God is love' people accept that God gave that command?
Address the issue. Jesus said that God commanded that those who speak evil of father or mother be put to death (under the Mosaic Law which the Church is not under).
Do you believe Jesus? And can you 'God is love' people accept that God gave that command?
I did Mikey. Jesus said those that are without sin put them to death. Or do you think this only counts for adultery?.
Can you accept what Jesus said about the command here ?.
I believe the reason Jesus mentioned that law, was merely to show the religious hypocrites that the very law they said they upheld, they didn't do.
Does Jesus put misbehaving children to death? No. We have no account of Jesus putting little children to death.
And since Jesus assured us that the Heavenly Father is the same way, we know that putting little children to death is not God-like.
Thank you Jesus, for showing us what God is really like!
Blessings,
brian
In Matthew 15:4 Jesus said in no uncertain terms, "For God said, 'HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER,' and, 'HE WHO SPEAKS EVIL OF FATHER OR MOTHER IS TO BE PUT TO DEATH.'
Jesus clearly said that God said that those who speak evil of father or mother were to be put to death (under the Mosaic Law).
Since Jesus said that God gave that command, did God in fact give that command? 'Yes' or 'No'.
Can you 'God is love' people accept that God gave that command? 'Yes' or 'No'.
I did Mikey. Jesus said those that are without sin put them to death. Or do you think this only counts for adultery?.
Can you accept what Jesus said about the command here ?.
No, you did not. Give a direct and straight answer to what is asked below.
In Matthew 15:4 Jesus said in no uncertain terms, "For God said, 'HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER,' and, 'HE WHO SPEAKS EVIL OF FATHER OR MOTHER IS TO BE PUT TO DEATH.'
Jesus clearly said that God said that those who speak evil of father or mother were to be put to death (under the Mosaic Law).
Since Jesus said that God gave that command, did God in fact give that command? 'Yes' or 'No'.
Can you 'God is love' people accept that God gave that command? 'Yes' or 'No'.
No, you did not. Give a direct and straight answer to what is asked below.
In Matthew 15:4 Jesus said in no uncertain terms, "For God said, 'HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER,' and, 'HE WHO SPEAKS EVIL OF FATHER OR MOTHER IS TO BE PUT TO DEATH.'
Jesus clearly said that God said that those who speak evil of father or mother were to be put to death (under the Mosaic Law).
Since Jesus said that God gave that command, did God in fact give that command? 'Yes' or 'No'.
Can you 'God is love' people accept that God gave that command? 'Yes' or 'No'.
No, and the fact that Jesus Christ said "he that is without sin let him cast the first stone" in regards to the woman caught in adultery, she should have been stoned to death along with the man according to the literal Letter of the Law,proves stoning someone to death for sin was never the intention of the command, if it was he who knew no sin would have stoned her.
Are you so blind and unwilling to accept that Jesus Christ who is the same yesterday(before he was in the flesh), today and for the ages, never changes in who He IS, that what he said to those with rocks in their hands ready to stone the woman, is valid, yesterday,today and for the ages. The Word(Jesus Christ)has never changed from the beginning ?.
Literally Stoning you kids to death was never what God was saying.
Whoso curseth his father or his mother, his lamp shall be put out in the blackest darkness proverbs 20:20
No, and the fact that Jesus Christ said "he that is without sin let him cast the first stone" in regards to the woman caught in adultery, she should have been stoned to death along with the man according to the literal Letter of the Law,proves stoning someone to death for sin was never the intention of the command, if it was he who knew no sin would have stoned her.
Are you so blind and unwilling to accept that Jesus Christ who is the same yesterday(before he was in the flesh), today and for the ages, never changes in who He IS, that what he said to those with rocks in their hands ready to stone the woman, is valid, yesterday,today and for the ages. The Word(Jesus Christ)has never changed from the beginning ?.
Literally Stoning you kids to death was never what God was saying.
Whoso curseth his father or his mother, his lamp shall be put out in the blackest darkness proverbs 20:20
So your answer when pressed to give it is that God did not command that those who speak evil of father or mother (under the Mosaic Law which the Church is not under) were to be put to death even though Jesus clearly said that He did.
One person has now directly denied that God said what Jesus said He said.
Having your lamp put out as in Proverbs 20:20 was a picturesque way of referring to death.
Last edited by Michael Way; 02-19-2013 at 09:33 AM..
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