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Old 11-23-2012, 04:12 AM
 
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Old 11-23-2012, 04:46 AM
 
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Just a few thoughts.

Just speaking as somebody who grew up on a farm. If it is the time of year when the animals are out to pasture or grazing in the fields. The Barns, Stables and mangers are not used. that is the time of year the shepherds, cattle Drovers and other hands get to sleep out doors a lot as they tend to the herds.

According to the Bible the Shepherds were out tending their flocks. Which means it was a grazing time of the year and live stock would not have been stabled or housed. But be far from the city and grazing much like cattle and sheep are raised out here in ND. No housing except in the winter time.

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From a source other than the Pope and appears not to be a Catholic source.

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Dear Woodrow,
All the people who traveled to Bethlehem for the census, do you think they all walked to Bethelem from far away places to take part in the census? Do you really think Mary walked all that way being ready to give birth as they went there? No, they road on mules or by wagons pulled by animals. When all those people got to Bethlehem do you think they just let their animals loose to run the hills to be fed hoping they'd return to the inn when it was time to go back home? No, they had to have stables. They often put their stables under the inns to house the animals. Joseph and Mary bedded down where these animals bedded down. Jesus was put in a manger. A manger is used to feed animals. Most likely there was more than one manger to feed the animals.

The time between when the shepherds met Jesus and the wise men met Jesus was roughly two years. Jesus was a babe wrapped in swaddling cloths when the shepherds met Him in a manger. He was in a HOUSE when the wise men met Jesus. That is why the order was given to kill all the male boys 2 YEARS and younger when the wise men met Jesus. So the real issue is that it is improper to have the three wise men at these Christmas displays with the shepherds and animals with Jesus in the manger. You dig?
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Old 11-23-2012, 06:38 AM
 
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Just a few thoughts.

Just speaking as somebody who grew up on a farm. If it is the time of year when the animals are out to pasture or grazing in the fields. The Barns, Stables and mangers are not used. that is the time of year the shepherds, cattle Drovers and other hands get to sleep out doors a lot as they tend to the herds.

According to the Bible the Shepherds were out tending their flocks. Which means it was a grazing time of the year and live stock would not have been stabled or housed. But be far from the city and grazing much like cattle and sheep are raised out here in ND. No housing except in the winter time.

Another thought:

From a source other than the Pope and appears not to be a Catholic source.

SOURCE
Ma Salam, Aki...I think what was being pointed out by Eusibius was not that the local animals were housed in the Inn's stables, but those of the travelling folks, the ones coming to register...
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Old 11-23-2012, 06:42 AM
 
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Dear Woodrow,
All the people who traveled to Bethlehem for the census, do you think they all walked to Bethelem from far away places to take part in the census? Do you really think Mary walked all that way being ready to give birth as they went there? No, they road on mules or by wagons pulled by animals. When all those people got to Bethlehem do you think they just let their animals loose to run the hills to be fed hoping they'd return to the inn when it was time to go back home? No, they had to have stables. They often put their stables under the inns to house the animals. Joseph and Mary bedded down where these animals bedded down. Jesus was put in a manger. A manger is used to feed animals. Most likely there was more than one manger to feed the animals.

The time between when the shepherds met Jesus and the wise men met Jesus was roughly two years. Jesus was a babe wrapped in swaddling cloths when the shepherds met Him in a manger. He was in a HOUSE when the wise men met Jesus. That is why the order was given to kill all the male boys 2 YEARS and younger when the wise men met Jesus. So the real issue is that it is improper to have the three wise men at these Christmas displays with the shepherds and animals with Jesus in the manger. You dig?
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So when Jesus was born there were no wise men to be seen?..
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Old 11-23-2012, 06:45 AM
 
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or Santa Claus.
Who follows a star to a manger every Christmas to feed the Easter Bunny Halloween candy that was given to him by the Tooth Fairy............OOPS! Wrong myth!
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Old 11-23-2012, 06:46 AM
 
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So when Jesus was born there were no wise men to be seen?..
Correct...
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Old 11-23-2012, 06:52 AM
 
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Correct...
It's amazing how the bible doesn't say what we think it's saying .
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Old 11-23-2012, 07:08 AM
 
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It's amazing how the bible doesn't say what we think it's saying .
One discovers this when one employs logic and reason...
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Old 11-23-2012, 07:38 AM
 
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One discovers this when one employs logic and reason...
What does logic and reason say about burning bushes that talk? Snakes that make people sin? Someone walking on water? Parting of a sea?
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Old 11-23-2012, 07:38 AM
 
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Dear Woodrow,
All the people who traveled to Bethlehem for the census, do you think they all walked to Bethelem from far away places to take part in the census? Do you really think Mary walked all that way being ready to give birth as they went there? No, they road on mules or by wagons pulled by animals. When all those people got to Bethlehem do you think they just let their animals loose to run the hills to be fed hoping they'd return to the inn when it was time to go back home? No, they had to have stables. They often put their stables under the inns to house the animals. Joseph and Mary bedded down where these animals bedded down. Jesus was put in a manger. A manger is used to feed animals. Most likely there was more than one manger to feed the animals.

The time between when the shepherds met Jesus and the wise men met Jesus was roughly two years. Jesus was a babe wrapped in swaddling cloths when the shepherds met Him in a manger. He was in a HOUSE when the wise men met Jesus. That is why the order was given to kill all the male boys 2 YEARS and younger when the wise men met Jesus. So the real issue is that it is improper to have the three wise men at these Christmas displays with the shepherds and animals with Jesus in the manger. You dig?
l


By foot was about the most common way of travel, even for very long distance. The native Americans of the Plains tribes until the arrival of the Spaniards traveled on foot thousands of miles each year following the Bison herds. The entire Holy Land region is smaller than the State of North Dakota.

While some probably did come on donkey or camel as this was a warm time of year the most probable way to keep the animals would have been to hobble or tie them out on the street. While none of that proves there were no animals in the stable, it was likely there would not be that time of year.

As for myself it is a moot point as I believe Jesus(as) was born under a Date Palm at the edge of an oasis. Just wanted to point out that at that time of year the stable would most likely have been unused.
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