God Commands Us to Remember the Sabbath Day, to Keep It Holy! Do You Keep God's Seventh-Day Sabbath Holy? (Deists, ritual)
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In West Virginia, it became legal to buy liquor on Sunday in May of 2019.
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Originally Posted by Michael Way
Well, better late than never. As I see it, the blue laws are a violation of separation of church and state.
Some, even many, would not agree with you. I suspect that EscAlaMike, strangely absent from this thread, would disagree with you. In fact. I'd love to hear his views on a few issues that I've brought up regarding this topic. Any chance of that, Mike?
Anyway, for one, the separation of Church and state is not of 'divine origin' but is rather a man-made concept. It's rather ironic, in fact, that so many Christians will automatically jump to the defense of the first amendment while having little to no interest in defending God's 7th-day Sabbath command.
For two, many Christians believe that the general moral decline of our society today is due to God having been rejected or neglected. Do any of you disagree? Your thoughts?
Some, even many, would not agree with you. I suspect that EscAlaMike, strangely absent from this thread, would disagree with you. In fact. I'd love to hear his views on a few issues that I've brought up regarding this topic. Any chance of that, Mike?
Anyway, for one, the separation of Church and state is not of 'divine origin' but is rather a man-made concept. It's rather ironic, in fact, that so many Christians will automatically jump to the defense of the first amendment while having little to no interest in defending God's 7th-day Sabbath command.
For two, many Christians believe that the general moral decline of our society today is due to God having been rejected or neglected. Do any of you disagree? Your thoughts?
moral decline comes through onset of materialism starting
with kindergarten, our modus vivendi.
Some, even many, would not agree with you. I suspect that EscAlaMike, strangely absent from this thread, would disagree with you. In fact. I'd love to hear his views on a few issues that I've brought up regarding this topic. Any chance of that, Mike?
Anyway, for one, the separation of Church and state is not of 'divine origin' but is rather a man-made concept. It's rather ironic, in fact, that so many Christians will automatically jump to the defense of the first amendment while having little to no interest in defending God's 7th-day Sabbath command.
For two, many Christians believe that the general moral decline of our society today is due to God having been rejected or neglected. Do any of you disagree? Your thoughts?
You and your Sabbath obsession!
As for separation of church and state, you can't impose your religious beliefs and practices on people who don't share your religious beliefs. But the blue laws do exactly that if or when they are enforced by not allowing non-Christians to buy alcoholic drinks before noon, or not at all on Sunday. It's religious tyranny.
Last edited by Michael Way; 01-28-2022 at 09:49 AM..
Some, even many, would not agree with you. I suspect that EscAlaMike, strangely absent from this thread, would disagree with you. In fact. I'd love to hear his views on a few issues that I've brought up regarding this topic. Any chance of that, Mike?
Anyway, for one, the separation of Church and state is not of 'divine origin' but is rather a man-made concept. It's rather ironic, in fact, that so many Christians will automatically jump to the defense of the first amendment while having little to no interest in defending God's 7th-day Sabbath command.
For two, many Christians believe that the general moral decline of our society today is due to God having been rejected or neglected. Do any of you disagree? Your thoughts?
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Originally Posted by Michael Way
You and your Sabbath obsession!
Cool it, brother. You'll get a headache with your
Anyway, I don't have an obsession with the Sabbath. I don't even keep it. Nor do I 'keep' Sunday or any day. As I've previously explained, I'm merely responding both to the OP's question using the Bible as my guide as well as to the contents of the posts of others. I didn't start the thread but merely jumped in with what I believe to be the facts surrounding the abrogation of the 7th-day Sabbath by the Roman Catholic Church to that of the bogus RCC implemented 'sabbath'. Check the history surrounding this issue for yourself if you care to. You don't need to take my word for it. Moreover, its a good topic to get one'/s teeth into so ...why not do so?
When it comes to 'the 7th-day Sabbath' as per the 4th-command of the Big Ten, that particular period each week is Friday sunset until Saturday sunset. It has nothing to do with Sunday. The majority of Christians believe that it does. They are wrong. Okay? Tell me, why do you and others simply brush that command aside but then become so militant with your/their obsession to defend a day that, history tells us, was installed by the Roman Catholic Church and thus forevermore followed by the Protestant Church?
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Originally Posted by Michael Way
As for separation of church and state, you can't impose your religious beliefs and practices on people who don't share your religious beliefs. But the blue laws do exactly that if or when they are enforced by not allowing non-Christians to buy alcoholic drinks before noon, or not at all on Sunday. It's religious tyranny.
Yes, I agree with you on this but wasn't the USA founded on biblical principles? The early law-makers were clearly attempting to do so when the so-called 'blue laws' were introduced. No one adheres to them anyway so why get so hot under the collar?
Anyway, I don't have an obsession with the Sabbath. I don't even keep it. Nor do I 'keep' Sunday or any day. As I've previously explained, I'm merely responding both to the OP's question using the Bible as my guide as well as to the contents of the posts of others. I didn't start the thread but merely jumped in with what I believe to be the facts surrounding the abrogation of the 7th-day Sabbath by the Roman Catholic Church to that of the bogus RCC implemented 'sabbath'. Check the history surrounding this issue for yourself if you care to. You don't need to take my word for it. Moreover, its a good topic to get one'/s teeth into so ...why not do so?
When it comes to 'the 7th-day Sabbath' as per the 4th-command of the Big Ten, that particular period each week is Friday sunset until Saturday sunset. It has nothing to do with Sunday. The majority of Christians believe that it does. They are wrong. Okay? Tell me, why do you and others simply brush that command aside but then become so militant with your/their obsession to defend a day that, history tells us, was installed by the Roman Catholic Church and thus forevermore followed by the Protestant Church?
Yes, I agree with you on this but wasn't the USA founded on biblical principles? The early law-makers were clearly attempting to do so when the so-called 'blue laws' were introduced. No one adheres to them anyway so why get so hot under the collar?
You've been told repeatedly that the Sabbath command was given only to Israel. It wasn't given to the Gentiles of that day unless a Gentile was sojourning with the Jews, and it wasn't given to the church. That's why that command is ''brushed aside.''
You've also been shown that the early church worshipped on Sunday long before the Roman Catholic church, long before Constantine was even born. I've shown you before, perhaps on this very thread, the statements from two or three early church writings pertaining to that fact. So don't pretend that we haven't been over this before.
You're the one taking a militant position defending a command that doesn't even apply to the church.
Nor am I getting hot under the collar for bringing up the issue of the blue laws.
And don't expect me to keep going over the same things with you over and over.
You've been told repeatedly that the Sabbath command was given only to Israel. It wasn't given to the Gentiles of that day unless a Gentile was sojourning with the Jews, and it wasn't given to the church. That's why that command is ''brushed aside.''
You've also been shown that the early church worshipped on Sunday long before the Roman Catholic church, long before Constantine was even born. I've shown you before, perhaps on this very thread, the statements from two or three early church writings pertaining to that fact. So don't pretend that we haven't been over this before.
You're the one taking a militant position defending a command that doesn't even apply to the church.
Nor am I getting hot under the collar for bringing up the issue of the blue laws.
And don't expect me to keep going over the same things with you over and over.
You are a legalistic, the only point is Gentiles joining Israel and they did for 100 years until they went back to paganism.
You act as if the venerable day of the sun isnt accepted, then you arent in God's religion.
The whole point is for two people to become one people, and that is impossible when one is God's ways, and one is.pagan. Israel cannot be joined to people against God's sabbaths. You havent joined God's people, you are their enemy.
You've been told repeatedly that the Sabbath command was given only to Israel. It wasn't given to the Gentiles of that day unless a Gentile was sojourning with the Jews, and it wasn't given to the church. That's why that command is ''brushed aside.''
But, but ...it makes absolutely no sense whatever to merely replace one day with another and arrive at the same place. Christians ARE keeping a day of rest and worship and, as long as they are, then WHY NOT keep the day asked of you? Why fight this in the manner that many Christians do?
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Originally Posted by Michael Way
You've also been shown that the early church worshipped on Sunday long before the Roman Catholic church, long before Constantine was even born. I've shown you before, perhaps on this very thread, the statements from two or three early church writings pertaining to that fact. So don't pretend that we haven't been over this before.
And, as I've mentioned before (and if I haven't I do so now), I have no interest in what the post-Bible Christians may or may not have done. What does this have to do with scripture? There is no way possible to change the Creation story and the final day of rest, a day that was blessed and sanctified and incorporated in commandments that are carved into stone and just as applicable to we of today as they were to the Jews. Who cares what the early Christians chose to do? They were not God and they should not be our guide in this matter.
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Originally Posted by Michael Way
You're the one taking a militant position defending a command that doesn't even apply to the church.
Does 'thou shalt not commit adultery' apply to 'the church'? How about murder and theft, etc? What do we do with the other 9? There are 10, y'know. Don't any of them apply to the church? Why only the 4th-command? We know why, don't we? That command was tampered with, not by Jesus or by any other Bible luminary, but by man. The Evangelical Christian Church could never admit to being wrong to its millions of congregates. It's too late. Can you imagine the mass exodus from the church if they admitted to this? "What else has the church gotten wrong?" they would ask. Better then to stand their ground and defend 'Sunday' the best they can.
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Originally Posted by Michael Way
Nor am I getting hot under the collar for bringing up the issue of the blue laws.
Well, you did seem to be getting heated up over them. You referred to them as 'tyrannical'.
Anyway, if there are those who are not familiar with blue laws, below are some. Try not to laugh. This is serious stuff! Sorry for the temporary derail from the main topic but here they are:
Alaska – It’s illegal to tie a dog to your car roof
Arizona – It’s against the law to drive a car in reverse on a public road
Arkansas – Don’t honk your car horn anywhere that serves cold drinks or sandwiches after 9 p.m.
California – It’s against the law for women to drive in a housecoat
Colorado – It’s illegal to drive a black car on a Sunday in Denver
Connecticut – A fire engine should not exceed 25 m.p.h. – even on the way to a fire
Delaware – You should not change clothes in your vehicle
Florida – By law, you must feed the parking meter if you tie an elephant, goat or alligator to it
Georgia – It’s illegal to spit from a car or bus, but it’s OK to spit from a truck
Hawaii – It’s against the law for any vehicle in motion to use its hazard lights
Idaho – Anyone over age 88 is forbidden to ride a motorcycle in Idaho Falls
Illinois – It’s illegal to drive a car without a steering wheel
Indiana – It’s against the law to sell cars on Sundays
Iowa – In Mount Vernon, it’s illegal to throw a Red Ryder onto the highway
Kansas – You can’t transport dead poultry in this state
Kentucky – It’s illegal for your pet to molest a vehicle in Fort Thomas
Louisiana – A woman’s husband is required by law to wave a flag in front of her car before she can drive it
Maine – It’s illegal to buy a car on a Sunday
Maryland – It’s a crime to swear from a vehicle in Rockville
Massachusetts – You cannot drive with a gorilla in your backseat
Michigan – It’s against the law to sit in the middle of the street and read a newspaper
Minnesota – You’re a public nuisance if you drive a truck in Minnetonka that leaves mud, dirt or sticky substances on the road
Mississippi – In Oxford, it’s illegal to honk your horn because it might scare nearby horses
Missouri – You can’t honk someone else’s car horn
Montana – Unless you have a chaperone, it’s illegal to have sheep in your truck
Nebraska – By law, drivers on mountains should drive with caution near the right edge of the highway, even though there are no mountains in Nebraska
Nevada – It’s illegal to ride a camel on the highway
New Hampshire – It’s against the law to inhale bus fumes with the intent of inducing euphoria
New Jersey – Frowning at a police officer is against the law here
New Mexico – It’s illegal for cab drivers to reach out and pull potential customers into their taxis
New York – It’s against the law to disrobe in your car in Sag Harbor
North Carolina – It’s illegal to play in traffic
North Dakota – You’re breaking the law when you put a penny in an automatic parking ticket machine
Ohio – It’s illegal to run out of gas in Youngstown
Oklahoma – It’s illegal to read a comic book while driving
Oregon – By law, you must yield to pedestrians when driving on the sidewalk
Pennsylvania –When driving on a country road at night, you must stop every mile and set off flares or other warning signals and then allow 10 minutes for livestock to clear the road
Rhode Island – It’s illegal to ride a horse on a highway for the purpose of racing or testing the speed of the horse
South Carolina – It’s unlawful to store trash in your vehicle in Hilton Head
South Dakota – You only need to be 14 years old to get your license in South Dakota
Tennessee – It’s illegal to shoot any game other than whales from a moving vehicle
Texas – You must have windshield wipers to register a car, although having a windshield is optional
Utah – By law, birds have the right of way on all highways
Vermont – It’s illegal for cars to backfire in Rutland
Virginia – Women are prohibited from driving a car on Main Street unless her husband is walking in front of the car waving a red flag
Washington – A motorist with criminal intentions must stop at the city limits and telephone the chief of police as he is entering the town
West Virginia *- It’s legal to eat road kill
Wisconsin – It’s against the law for a person to ride a bicycle with their hands off the handlebars
Wyoming – By law, you must close a gate crossing over a road, river, stream or ditch or you risk a $750 fine
Blue Laws, folks. Now, wasn't ^ worth a temporary derail?
Some, even many, would not agree with you. I suspect that EscAlaMike, strangely absent from this thread, would disagree with you. In fact. I'd love to hear his views on a few issues that I've brought up regarding this topic. Any chance of that, Mike?
Anyway, for one, the separation of Church and state is not of 'divine origin' but is rather a man-made concept. It's rather ironic, in fact, that so many Christians will automatically jump to the defense of the first amendment while having little to no interest in defending God's 7th-day Sabbath command.
For two, many Christians believe that the general moral decline of our society today is due to God having been rejected or neglected. Do any of you disagree? Your thoughts?
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Originally Posted by G.Duval
moral decline comes through onset of materialism starting
with kindergarten, our modus vivendi.
Well, there you go, the love of money. I think you will find that obsession towards materialism is a biblical no-no and is therefore a rejection of God.
I keep the Sabbath by resting in Christ, knowing that He did it all for me and it is finished. That is what the Sabbath points to. You weren't allowed to do any work on the Sabbath day. In like manner, I have obtained a righteousness imputed to me that is not my own but His. My own works are completely excluded, and there is nothing I can do to lose my salvation.
As for those who insist on carnal Sabbath observance, Paul had some disapproving things to say.
Col 2:16-17: 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
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Sorry for the temporary derail from the main topic but here they are:
