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1 Chronicles 28:9 YLT
And thou, Solomon, my son, know the God of thy father, and serve Him with a perfect heart, and with a willing mind, for all hearts is Jehovah seeking, and every imagination of the thoughts He is understanding; if thou dost seek Him, He is found of thee, and if thou dost forsake Him, He casteth thee off for ever.
" and if thou dost forsake Him, He casteth thee off for ever. "
Let the greek geek scholars begin.....(and the name calling)
In both covenants of Old Testament Israel and Christians The Lord God proposed marrage to all people of these groups of People, and If you rejected his proposal then you would be let go........ Would you marry someone who rejected and forsaked you?....... There are some people who believe that it is all right to marry some who hates you
Your relationship with God is a gift that you have to choose to accept and keep:
Deu 30:15 DBY - See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil,
Deu 30:16 DBY - in that I command thee this day to love Jehovah thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his ordinances, that thou mayest live and multiply, and that Jehovah thy God may bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.
Deu 30:17 DBY - But if thy heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and thou shalt bow down to other gods and serve them;
Deu 30:18 DBY - I denounce unto you this day that ye shall surely perish; ye shall not prolong your days upon the land whereunto thou passest over the Jordan to possess it.
Deu 30:19 DBY - I call heaven and earth to witness this day against you: life and death have I set before you, blessing and cursing: choose then life, that thou mayest live, thou and thy seed, Deu 30:20 DBY - in loving Jehovah thy God, in hearkening to his voice, and in cleaving to him -- for this is thy life and the length of thy days -- that thou mayest dwell in the land which Jehovah swore unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.
The word for "ever" as the last word in your verse is neither olam in Hebrew nor aion in Greek but telos in the LXX and is often translated "till the end" or "consummation" or "full" or in the Hebrew text the word is "ad" and is translated in the KJV as: "and" or "till" or "until" or "unto" or "even to."
The Concordant Literal has it: "He shall cast you off for the future."
Hardly a case for the words "for ever" that God would cast Solomon off unless of course you understand that "for ever" is the length of one's life.
Besides, if God really did cast Solomon off eternally then we'd have contradictions in the Bible. It would contradict too many scriptures of God saving all mankind (1 Tim.2:4-6; 4:10) reconciling all (Col.1:20) making all righteous and justifying all mankind (Romans 5:18,19), heading up all in the heavens and all on the earth in christ (Eph.1:9,10) etc. etc.
1 Chronicles 28:9 YLT
And thou, Solomon, my son, know the God of thy father, and serve Him with a perfect heart, and with a willing mind, for all hearts is Jehovah seeking, and every imagination of the thoughts He is understanding; if thou dost seek Him, He is found of thee, and if thou dost forsake Him, He casteth thee off for ever.
" and if thou dost forsake Him, He casteth thee off for ever. "
Let the greek geek scholars begin.....(and the name calling)
It is in perfect harmony with the rest of the scriptures. Also, when Jesus said "where the fire is not quenched" it means exactly what it says, and there is no need to add the word 'never'. If the fire is not quenched, it is not quenched, - ever. These messages in the Bible were so important that they were repeated in many places in many different ways, so there is no room for misunderstanding.
It is in perfect harmony with the rest of the scriptures. Also, when Jesus said "where the fire is not quenched" it means exactly what it says, and there is no need to add the word 'never'. If the fire is not quenched, it is not quenched, - ever. These messages in the Bible were so important that they were repeated in many places in many different ways, so there is no room for misunderstanding.
You are correct. These messages in the Bible are important because of the truth that God does hold unbelief accountable and rewards heaven for only those who believe.
if thou dost seek Him, He is found of thee, and if thou dost forsake Him, He casteth thee off for ever.
if thou dost seek Him, He is found of thee,
John 3:15 that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.
John 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life,
1 John 5:11 And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
and if thou dost forsake Him, He casteth thee off for ever.
John 3:36 but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on him.”
Romans 12:19
Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” says the Lord.
Ephesians 5:6
Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’swrath comes on those who are disobedient
Revelation 14:10
he, too, will drink of the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.
Revelation 14:19
The angel swung his sickle on the earth, gathered its grapes and threw them into the great winepress of God’swrath.
Last edited by twin.spin; 12-05-2010 at 11:28 AM..
In both covenants of Old Testament Israel and Christians The Lord God proposed marriage to all people of these groups of People, and If you rejected his proposal then you would be let go........ Would you marry someone who rejected and forsaked you?....... There are some people who believe that it is all right to marry some who hates you
It wasn't by accident that God so often referred to the unbelieving of Israel like as an adulterous wife, or Jesus using the parable of the ten virgins waiting for the groom, or Jesus describing the believers as the bride and him the groom and on and on.
Matthew 25 is the truth and it's going to happen despite the howls of greek geeks and arguers of words.
It is in perfect harmony with the rest of the scriptures. Also, when Jesus said "where the fire is not quenched" it means exactly what it says, and there is no need to add the word 'never'. If the fire is not quenched, it is not quenched, - ever. These messages in the Bible were so important that they were repeated in many places in many different ways, so there is no room for misunderstanding.
When a house was on fire in 1922 and the fire company said "the fire couldn't be quenched so the house burnt to the ground," would you suppose that those firemen were saying that that house is still burning?
If twin.spins version of 1 Chronicles is in perfect harmony with the rest of scripture, why do you suppose there are many who believe it is out of harmony?
Also, when Jesus was talking about the fire not being quenched He was talking about Gehenna, the trash dump just outside of Jerusalem. Why would anyone try to quench that fire that will burn during the thousand years? It is there to burn up the refuse of the city. Not only that but Gehenna will be destroyed when the old earth is destroyed and replaced by the new earth. So since there won't be a Gehenna on the new earth there can't be a Gehenna fire still burning.
Also, there are verses in the bible that say the fire on the altar shall not be quenched but we know many thousands of years ago it was.
It pains me to have to bring such basic things about the bible up to you but . . . someone has to do it.
It wasn't by accident that God so often referred to the unbelieving of Israel like as an adulterous wife, or Jesus using the parable of the ten virgins waiting for the groom, or Jesus describing the believers as the bride and him the groom and on and on.
Matthew 25 is the truth and it's going to happen despite the howls of greek geeks and arguers of words.
The problem is not that we don't believe what Jesus said. The problem is we don't believe what YOUR perVersion says He said.
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