Oh My God Someone Please Tell Me This is Not True

[Lookout Kid]

Lake Shore Drive is U.S. 41 south of Foster only, but I can't imagine that the northern section is under any different jurisdiction. Maybe someone else can answer this.

To the posters who actually think converting LSD to a toll road is feasible, you must not use this road often during rush periods. The morning rush already backs up on to dozens of city arterials. The Belmont interchange in particular is such a tremendous cluster****--and I really couldn't imagine adding another obstacle there.

[jdiddy]

Originally Posted by jcarlilesiu

Because that isn't the role of government. Infringing on liberties of the populace due to the opinions of some is an action of blatent disregard for our constitution. How arrogant do people have to be to believe that their opinions on matters are 100% truths?

What if the majority of people felt that cyclists create unsafe conditions for drivers and pushed the government to implement a bicycle sales tax of 400% to discourage people from biking?

The point of government is not to create civil liberty hardships through legislation based on individual opinions but rather provide the people the basic means and services to conduct their lives as they see fit.

Mortgage deductions, charity deductions, marriage benefit - all attempts at modifying behavior through tax law. You find this...scary and abuse of power?

[Lookout Kid]

Originally Posted by jdiddy

Mortgage deductions, charity deductions, marriage benefit - all attempts at modifying behavior through tax law. You find this...scary and abuse of power?

Well, you've exposed the weakness of Libertarianism. It sounds good in theory, but doesn't work in practice.

[linicx]

It might not be too far fetched as Gov. Daniels of Indiana just sold the entire Indiana tollway for 4B. According to what I heard him say there were a few caveats the new owner had to agree to.

The question in my mind, is who actually owns the OUter Drive? Is it the city or is it the state?

[jcarlilesiu]

Originally Posted by jdiddy

Mortgage deductions, charity deductions, marriage benefit - all attempts at modifying behavior through tax law. You find this...scary and abuse of power?

These items are different as they reduce your tax burden rather than increase it. Its the difference between positive and negative reinforcement.

Eitherway though, all these "behavior altering" government interventions do is increase the size of the government to administer said deductions which in turn increases your taxes. If the government would have stayed out of it in the first place, we wouldn't need deductions as we would already have limited government and less taxation.

Thus, no.. I don't agree. That isn't what government is for.

[Lookout Kid]

Originally Posted by linicx

It might not be too far fetched as Gov. Daniels of Indiana just sold the entire Indiana tollway for 4B. According to what I heard him say there were a few caveats the new owner had to agree to.

The question in my mind, is who actually owns the OUter Drive? Is it the city or is it the state?

I just think that Lake Shore Drive is too compact and restricted by context to operate effectively as a tollway. It's one thing to do this out in a cornfield somewhere, and another thing entirely to do it in dense, North Side neighborhoods. Note that none of the existing expressways that penetrate into the heart of the city are tollways--and they are MUCH more generously spaced out than LSD.

And I think the other point that jcarlilesiu was trying to make earlier is that the city would not control a revenue stream from Lake Shore Drive. If anything, it would probably be absorbed into the current tollway authority.

[chet everett]

There are NO toll booths required. The level of technology is ALREADY PROVED AND IN USE in London:

London congestion charge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think that there is no argument that the City of London is considerably more dense than LSD.

The Illinois State Toll Highway Authority is a completely separate layer of government that has a very limited scope. Its bond holders are EXTREMELY powerful and have no desire to stray from their mission. Regulations, Rules, and Policies (http://www.illinoistollway.com/portal/page?_pageid=133,1398189&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTA L - broken link)

[Lookout Kid]

"Congestion pricing" is something that was considered by Daley, but it was deemed a bad idea. New York also ditched the idea after flirting with it for a while.

[Avengerfire]

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[jdiddy]

Originally Posted by Lookout Kid

"Congestion pricing" is something that was considered by Daley, but it was deemed a bad idea. New York also ditched the idea after flirting with it for a while.

If I remember correctly, NYC didn't ditch it, they couldn't get it through the state's legislature. Sometimes I think it'd be great if we could erase all our political boundaries and start over.