White flight from SW side (Chicago, Berwyn: vouchers, incomes, live in)

[PokerPlayer1]

Originally Posted by Manigault

Whiting happens to be a suburb noted for harshness toward any different type of ethnic group trying to move in, however.

Does "any different" consider the 25% of the population that's made up of Hispanics, who live right there along white people in near total harmony?

[Manigault]

Originally Posted by PokerPlayer1

Does "any different" consider the 25% of the population that's made up of Hispanics, who live right there along white people in near total harmony?

When you consider that Whiting borders on Hammond and East Chicago (which have large black populaces) and had a neighborhood insurrection when a black person slept overnight in a Whiting residence in the seventies, yes, there is evidence that different folks are highly suspect. I worked basic steel in East Chicago which required me to pass through Whiting twice a day and which had a strong representation by folks from Whiting so I am familiar with the area and its denizens.

[PokerPlayer1]

Originally Posted by Manigault

and had a neighborhood insurrection when a black person slept overnight in a Whiting residence in the seventies

Good to see you're using up-to-date information!

So, for the record, if someone was born on the very day this event occured, they would now be too old to perform on American Idol; today, at this very minute, the person who was born during the "Whiting Neighborhood Insurrection Of The 1970's" would be older than this American Idol contestant.

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[Manigault]

So, is all of that to say I am in error? Address the issue, why dontcha?

[PokerPlayer1]

Originally Posted by Manigault

So, is all of that to say I am in error? Address the issue, why dontcha?

I did "address the issue".

The imperative isn't on me to prove that something "isn't happening" in the face of a claim that it is. That's called trying to 'prove a negative' and is pointless. The imperative is on you to support your claim of racial hostility with something other than 'hunch' or citing historical data from 30+years ago.

You made a claim that Whiting is hostile to outsiders of other races.
I called BS.
You cited something that happened in the 1970's.
I noted that you're using hilariously outdated information.

The ball's in your court.
You get a bit of a pass since such things are very organic and qualitative so trying to quantify them can be tough, but seriously. About Whiting, you're wrong. Hell, I'm not even all that opposed to open racial hostility in order to preserve the standard of living in a particular community. I'm just saying that when you say it's going on in Whiting, you're incorrect. There are a small handful of communities where it does still go on, Whiting isn't one of them. If Whiting residents still took that hard-ass line about the neighborhood and it translated into a durable fear amongst ghetto trash when it came to their moving into Whiting, I'd probably consider buying/living there. Until I hear of Section 8'ers getting burned out or something a bit solid, I just am not seeing what you are.

[ajolotl]

Swx

[ajolotl]

please ignore. that was the work of a toddler -- I don't think it has any deep meaning. Manigault, you're still up.

[Lookout Kid]

Originally Posted by PokerPlayer1

Hell, I'm not even all that opposed to open racial hostility in order to preserve the standard of living in a particular community.

How nice.

I think I'd like to hear more about this. Exactly what kind of "open racial hostility" are you condoning? Pray tell.

[Manigault]

Originally Posted by ajolotl

please ignore. that was the work of a toddler -- I don't think it has any deep meaning. Manigault, you're still up.

All I have is first-hand testimony from Whiting residents who spoke to me. Plus my observance of the conditions in Whiting for years (I was there today!). Folks consider that type of info unreliable so forget it!

[Chicagoland60426]

Originally Posted by ajolotl

I think what will happen is eventually not every township will "turn" when the Section 8 influence and (likely) crime picks up. Maybe PP is right that Hegewisch will (his argument is solid), but lots of near-in and relatively near-in suburbs e.g. southwest of the city will just become more racially diverse, or have pockets of minorities and/or section 8'ers alongside working class people. Look at Oak Lawn, Evergreen, Summit, Alsip, etc. There are only so many places to go and so many bad people to chase them away. Many areas, even blue collar ones, will become more mixed. People will have to learn to deal with each other.

Of course if you have money you can always escape. I'm talking specifically about working class.

It seem like some people are trying to move away from certain people that the escape routes are getting lesser and lesser every 5 years. You might as well deal with it or move so far that you are out in the boondocks having squirrels and cows as your neighbors. When it comes to race and ethnicity, Chicagoland is a strange place. There are so many South suburban towns and schools that went from predominately one race to being diverse, and now is predominately of one race again.