View Poll Results: Which is the best site Lightfoot selected?
Michael Reese site south of McCormick Place
31 67.39%
US Steel site on the far south lakefront
3 6.52%
West Side in Lawndale at Roosevelt and Kostner
1 2.17%
Far, far south at Harborside (near Pullman)
2 4.35%
Former Taylor Homes site near Sox Park
9 19.57%
08-01-2019, 08:02 AM
Location: In the heights
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el ridership is down overall and continues to slide... wasting money on another line for a single purpose entity is not very bright... there's plenty of places you can put it in the loop or other areas that are plenty transit accessible
Yea, a short line shuttle that only goes from one point to the casino with no stops in between would be really dumb. Who's advocating for that?
08-03-2019, 09:31 PM
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Look at how many hotels are popping up in the West Loop / Fulton Market. And with all that open land and easy access to the immediate west...hmmmm
https://chicago.curbed.com/2019/7/26...m7bmICGxoibcbY
08-04-2019, 07:17 AM
Location: Chicago
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I could easily see that having been one of the sites offered up. I have little question that if matched with the other five, the only one giving it competition would be Michael Reese. I figure it would be a fairly even fight between those two.
Let's imagine they went with your choice...in particular the "easy access to the immediate west...hmmmm":
Within the parameters of the Near West Side, I'd place it slightly to the west of the United Center. Perhaps even close enough to the UC where a degree of parking share could take place.
Look at it this way: if you look at the central part of the city and how it has flowed west, one could argue that on both sides of the Eisenhower, the UC to the north, the med center to the south would be the western limits of that growth.
This area is well served by CTA (blue, pink, green) and expressway access (I-290). If you were to add a casino next to the UC, you would, along with the med center have 3 institutions on a site that could be the ones in all of Chicago should (and is) served by rapid transit and cars.
This area is already under enough growth, but the growth could exponential if the Medical District carries out its major expansion plans. Putting the casino adds just the kind of critical mass this area could use.
And if viewed holistically with the three elements I identified and recognizing this as a major hub in the greater downtown area, the expense of serving this part of town by improving its transportation system makes a lot of sense.
I could see the following done:
• Rebuild the Damen Ave. interchange to serve a heavier load, making it a key intersection
• Augment CTA's coverage of the area by adding on another station (United Center-Madison) to the mix, giving you...
Damen (blue)
Polk (pink)
Lake & Ashland (green, pink)
Madison (proposed; pink)
08-04-2019, 07:57 AM
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Just Opinion here and all suggestions have merit. But I'm not sure easy CTA access is best? Why is easy access by poorer folk hooked on gambling. Is never a good thing? Just feeds their compulsions that keep them in poverty. Many not all of course it could happen to. Bad enough so much is spent on lotteries for their ticket out of some hoods.
08-04-2019, 11:05 AM
Location: Chicago
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Just Opinion here and all suggestions have merit. But I'm not sure easy CTA access is best? Why is easy access by poorer folk hooked on gambling. Is never a good thing? Just feeds their compulsions that keep them in poverty. Many not all of course it could happen to. Bad enough so much is spent on lotteries for their ticket out of some hoods.
Dave, CTA access is definitely a two edged sword. And, yes, it obviously can have a negative effect on those who are poor and have the addiction.
I think the determine thing would be location. If it were Michael Reese or the ones that have been introduced here (Loop, Near West), then you are definitely wanting to have tourists, business visitors, conventioneers have easy access to it. You would need public transportation. And the L would work far better than bus.
It is not just a matter of finding a location. One has the realize the following:
LOCATION WILL DETERMINE WHAT TPYE OF CASINO THIS IS GOING TO BE.
A central location will be a casino far more catering to out-of-towners. It will, I would think, due to the expensive of the land and what it would need to service it be more high end.
If the site were elsewhere, let's say the one near Lk Calmuet, what you will get is generic casino, a clone to the nearby casinos on the Indiana lakefront. Center city is different.
Think of Pottawatomi vs. Majestic Star in Buffington Harbor. The Gary casino is just a casino. Pottawatomi's location adjacent to downtown Milwaukeee created a high profile, major casino. Pottawatomi differs from any casino that is within a two hour drive from Chicago. It's big league. And nothing else is in the same league.
I have never been to the Casinos in Detroit and St. Louis. My impression is that the Detroit ones are more akin to Pottawatomi where in St. Louis, even though they are downtown, they still have that "could be anywhere" look. But assuming Detroit is a bit like Pottawatomi, then that would probably be the only place in the Midwest where there would be something like the Milwaukee operation.
Back on location and type: that downtown or downtown & surrounding casino will be higher end, will not get the folks who just want to endless drop quarters into a machine (or its modern equivalent).
And since the city gets just one casino and the greater downtown market is an unparraled location: nothing like it in the midwest, then Chicago should be encouraging a high end casino...a place where the poor guy with the addiction is going to go anyway.
08-04-2019, 12:11 PM
Location: Chicago, IL
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Just Opinion here and all suggestions have merit. But I'm not sure easy CTA access is best? Why is easy access by poorer folk hooked on gambling. Is never a good thing? Just feeds their compulsions that keep them in poverty. Many not all of course it could happen to. Bad enough so much is spent on lotteries for their ticket out of some hoods.
This is exactly my point, CTA access makes this too easy for poverty-stricken people in the city to hop on a train and gamble their savings away. I get CTA access for lots of things; neighborhoods, sporting arenas, downtown, Hospitals, etc. But a casino shouldn't necessarily be one of the destinations for an L anyways. It's far too easy for people to just hop on the Red/Green line from the south side and go to this casino and make bad choices if this is solely placed by a CTA stop. Reese is perfect because it cuts that off and specifically is located with convention-goers/tourists in mind before anyone else, which is the whole point of this project in the first place.
08-04-2019, 12:43 PM
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This is exactly my point, CTA access makes this too easy for poverty-stricken people in the city to hop on a train and gamble their savings away. I get CTA access for lots of things; neighborhoods, sporting arenas, downtown, Hospitals, etc. But a casino shouldn't necessarily be one of the destinations for an L anyways. It's far too easy for people to just hop on the Red/Green line from the south side and go to this casino and make bad choices if this is solely placed by a CTA stop. Reese is perfect because it cuts that off and specifically is located with convention-goers/tourists in mind before anyone else, which is the whole point of this project in the first place.
I guess the argument is that the casino also means employment so you want access to that, but somehow have people living in Chicago not go there to gamble if they can ill afford such.
Anyhow, still with the Metra Electric here. The city wants better mass transit and an express to O'Hare and the convention center? Well, this casino can be the driving force with that by connecting Metra Electric to being able to go to Union Station and then through-running on electrified tracks to an O'Hare spur. Just like McCormick, it should be built straddling the rails, closer to the lake and integrating the station into it.
08-08-2019, 05:35 PM
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Tribune Media River District wants to get into the casino mix. I don't think Lightfoot will agree to a downtown location given she's for developing the underdeveloped neighborhoods...but it's an interesting location.
https://chicago.curbed.com/2019/8/8/...-ZtuCKJVfzazUs
I'm sure many more sites will be proposed.
08-08-2019, 07:57 PM
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Tribune Media River District wants to get into the casino mix. I don't think Lightfoot will agree to a downtown location given she's for developing the underdeveloped neighborhoods...but it's an interesting location.
https://chicago.curbed.com/2019/8/8/...-ZtuCKJVfzazUs
I'm sure many more sites will be proposed.
Downtown is a terrible choice.
Reese though is perfect, because it's close enough to downtown, but not in downtown.
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People who want to gamble will find the gambling, wherever you put it. Exhibit A:
https://www.wbez.org/shows/wbez-news...BdJJrecrCbjYXY
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People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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