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Old 05-04-2014, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Upper West Side, Manhattan, NYC
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As Cabrini Green is essentially GONE and the surrounding area is pretty close to 100% redeveloped it is silly to have that on a list of "unsafe" areas.
This is not true at all - but I'd agree it's frivolous to have it on a list of unsafe areas. Pretty much 99.5% of it's gone
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Old 05-04-2014, 10:55 AM
 
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What do mean "not true at all"?

Look, arguably one is more likely to encounter violence in River North than the site of the former Cabrini Green green high rise -- Chicago Tribune

The site of the shooting cited above is what, six blocks or so from the much touted Whole Foods in River North, while the former Cabrini Green development was signficantly further away up on Division...

There are just way too many little pockets of lawlessness for anyone not familar with Chicago to make these kinds of generalizations. It make a whole lot more sense to use the resource from CPD or the news outlets to check out every address online before you visit a potential apartment and even then to be sure to inquire if there are an abundance of below market rate apartments that have a depressingly high likelihood of attracting undesirable tenants...
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Old 05-04-2014, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Upper West Side, Manhattan, NYC
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What do mean "not true at all"?

Look, arguably one is more likely to encounter violence in River North than the site of the former Cabrini Green green high rise -- Chicago Tribune

The site of the shooting cited above is what, six blocks or so from the much touted Whole Foods in River North, while the former Cabrini Green development was signficantly further away up on Division...

There are just way too many little pockets of lawlessness for anyone not familar with Chicago to make these kinds of generalizations. It make a whole lot more sense to use the resource from CPD or the news outlets to check out every address online before you visit a potential apartment and even then to be sure to inquire if there are an abundance of below market rate apartments that have a depressingly high likelihood of attracting undesirable tenants...
I was talking about Cabrini Green being built up these days. Most of Cabrini Green is NOT built up now and has NOT been redeveloped. Only a very small portion of it has been redeveloped as of right now with a few small projects on the pipeline to start construction soon (~50 new upscale townhomes and an 18 story, 240 unit building near the new target). A few more proposals have been unveiled in the last month or so too - a few midrise buildings of about 8 stories and maybe 75-100 units each. I think the New City development would also count.

The city just unveiled a complete plan for redevelopment of it just a few months ago. I can see part of the former Cabrini Green from my home. There's some big open fields there. Knock yourself out. From page 1's picture, you can see how much open land there really is right now:
http://www.thecha.org/filebin/CG_Dra...an_Booklet.pdf
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Old 05-04-2014, 04:10 PM
 
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Ok, I can along with that. It is true that there is still plenty of building planned / in progress. I did not mean "100% redeveloped" in the fully built out sense. It would be more accurate to say "turned around 180 degree" as it is now a mostly desirable area that is quite affluent and not really anyplace that would have high crime.
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Old 05-04-2014, 05:19 PM
 
Location: Upper West Side, Manhattan, NYC
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Ok, I can along with that. It is true that there is still plenty of building planned / in progress. I did not mean "100% redeveloped" in the fully built out sense. It would be more accurate to say "turned around 180 degree" as it is now a mostly desirable area that is quite affluent and not really anyplace that would have high crime.
There's some planned, but not a ton - in a year or so it will be different though I think. We're starting to see more stuff come. I do agree though that it is much safer than once before and should not be included on the list of places to avoid.

It will be interesting to see what happens to the area. I personally think it should be denser, but whatever. Not necessarily all high rises or anything, but I'm more of a fan of 5-7 story buildings for some areas like this. Some areas will definitely have that, though.
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Old 05-05-2014, 01:29 AM
 
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It actually feels more developed now than when there were thousands and thousands of people living in CHA mid- and highrises around there. There may have been a lot of people living in 'em but those buildings sure sat on small footprints relative to the amount of open space that surrounded them. Well, more so for the whites than the reds, but even for the reds too...
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Old 05-05-2014, 02:22 AM
 
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What do mean "not true at all"?

Look, arguably one is more likely to encounter violence in River North than the site of the former Cabrini Green green high rise -- Chicago Tribune

The site of the shooting cited above is what, six blocks or so from the much touted Whole Foods in River North, while the former Cabrini Green development was signficantly further away up on Division...
That shooting in river north happened literally right down the street from the rowhouses that are still there...
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Old 05-05-2014, 05:16 AM
 
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The shootings were reported to be in the 500 block of Erie, a part of the city that NEVER EVER was considered part of Cabrini Green and in fact has a reputation for high priced rentals -- Parc Huron Apartments - Near North Side - Chicago, IL | Yelp

The fact is even the row houses are rather cut off from the rest of neighborhood, with dead-end streets that do not align with the grid. Just a handful of these units are still utilized by CHA -- Chicago Housing Authority speeding up final phase of redevelopment at Cabrini-Green | WBEZ 91.5 Chicago

What used to be the "heart" of the Cabrini high rise campus (and was routinely the site where police cruisers and paddy wagon would congregate when "massing forces"...) is now one of the newer Target stores Target store transforms former Cabrini site
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Old 05-05-2014, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Upper West Side, Manhattan, NYC
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All members of that incident have said they are part of a gang and were flashing gang signs at the car. 3am - so probably in the area at a bar or club. It's not impossible for this stuff to happen, but it's very rare in the area.
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Old 05-05-2014, 09:30 AM
 
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All members of that incident have said they are part of a gang and were flashing gang signs at the car. 3am - so probably in the area at a bar or club. It's not impossible for this stuff to happen, but it's very rare in the area.

The person upthread that listed "Cabrini Green" as some huge negative to avoid like the entire Englewood area is what I was upset by. That said it is more than a little nuts that "admitted gang members" do seem to turn up shooting at each other in parts of Chicago that really are quite nice. It is kind of a dilemma too -- while I would not expect too many tourists or utterly clueless new residents to be in the middle of some crossfire at 3AM outside of some nightspot it probably makes sense to recommend that folks at least take these things into consideration so they do not end up having bullets go through their living room. OTOH making too big a deal over this kind of thing paints an even more distorted picture -- the vast majority of even cops in the WHOLE country are extremely unlikely to be involved in any shooting incident: Jim Fisher True Crime: Police Involved Shooting Statistics: A National One-Year Summary

It is very hard to quantify the many failures that lead up to the violence in Chicago. Roots of Violence | Chicago Reader
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