23 year old moving to North side from southside. (Chicago, Lincoln: city hall, gardens)

[chet everett]

...PORTUGESE!

Shoulda never let 'em have a park / street / school named after 'em!

Originally Posted by ChiNaan

Neighborhood definitions do get fuzzy, but the official community area boundaries are absolute. They just don't always line up with currently used neighborhood names and boundaries, because they were created in like 1492 or something.*











*Actually in the late 1920's.

[ChiNaan]

Originally Posted by Chicagoist123

But the comparison that I was discussing was between Logan Square and Rogers park, both official community areas with official boundaries......

When you say "Logan Square" people will usually assume you mean the neighborhood, unless you specify the larger community area. In common usage people don't include Bucktown in Logan Square. That's where the confusion is coming in. The Rogers Park community area boundaries align with those of the commonly used neighborhood name, though.

The one that's even more confusing to me than Logan Square is Humboldt Park. The official Humboldt Park community area only goes east to California (the eastern edge of the park itself), but in common usage the neighborhood of Humboldt Park goes further east, well into the West Town community area. Of course, realtors and landlords keep trying to refer to that bit between Western and California as West Wicker Park or even Bucktown (seriously, I know someone who bought a house there and thinks she lives in Bucktown), but it remains to be seen if that will catch on.

[Chicagoist123]

Originally Posted by ChiNaan

When you say "Logan Square" people will usually assume you mean the neighborhood, unless you specify the larger community area. In common usage people don't include Bucktown in Logan Square. That's where the confusion is coming in. The Rogers Park community area boundaries align with those of the commonly used neighborhood name, though.

The one that's even more confusing to me than Logan Square is Humboldt Park. The official Humboldt Park community area only goes east to California (the eastern edge of the park itself), but in common usage the neighborhood of Humboldt Park goes further east, well into the West Town community area. Of course, realtors and landlords keep trying to refer to that bit between Western and California as West Wicker Park or even Bucktown (seriously, I know someone who bought a house there and thinks she lives in Bucktown), but it remains to be seen if that will catch on.

Logan Square the neghborhood and the community area are the same. It's like Lincoln Park, it's both a community area and neighborhood and are one in the same. People who are not aware what Bucktown is a part of and what not, are just ignorant of community areas and neighborhoods. Is it many? Yes.

I am sure many will agree here that they are well aware that Diversey and Elston is Logan Square just as Milwaukee and Kedzie is just as Wrightwood and Pulaski are. Regardless, the poster that was trying to call me out was incorrect, be it if how they though Bucktown was it's own.

[ChiNaan]

Originally Posted by Chicagoist123

Logan Square the neghborhood and the community area are the same. It's like Lincoln Park, it's both a community area and neighborhood and are one in the same. People who are not aware what Bucktown is a part of and what not, are just ignorant of community areas and neighborhoods. Is it many? Yes.

So, in your view, does someone who lives in Bucktown live in two neighborhoods simultaneously? (A neighborhood within another neighborhood?) Or does the neighborhood of Bucktown not exist to you?

Originally Posted by Chicagoist123

Regardless, the poster that was trying to call me out was incorrect, be it if how they though Bucktown was it's own.

In common usage she was clearly correct. You can stick to your definition, thinking everyone else is wrong, if you'd like, but it's going to make communicating with people difficult. Or you can just accept that neighborhoods and community areas aren't always the same thing.

[Lorielicious]

You said this:

Originally Posted by Chicagoist123

Logan Square the neghborhood and the community area are the same. It's like Lincoln Park, it's both a community area and neighborhood and are one in the same.

And then you said this:

People who are not aware what Bucktown is a part of and what not, are just ignorant of community areas and neighborhoods.

So Bucktown is a part of Logan Square.... but Logan Square is like Lincoln Park in that it's a neighborhood with the same name as its community area. So is Bucktown imaginary, or...?

[ChiNaan]

Originally Posted by Lorielicious

You said this:


And then you said this:


So Bucktown is a part of Logan Square.... but Logan Square is like Lincoln Park in that it's a neighborhood with the same name as its community area. So is Bucktown imaginary, or...?

If I remember correctly this might be the same poster who once refused to acknowledge that Chicago is often broken down into North, South, and West sides. If so, all bets are off, and he/she may honestly believe Bucktown is imaginary.

[marothisu]

Logan Square the neighborhood is a smaller part of Logan Square the Community Area, sorry. Neighborhoods of Logan Square include: Logan Square, Belmont Gardens, Palmer Square, Bucktown, and Kosiuszko Park.

[Chicagoist123]

Originally Posted by ChiNaan

So, in your view, does someone who lives in Bucktown live in two neighborhoods simultaneously? (A neighborhood within another neighborhood?) Or does the neighborhood of Bucktown not exist to you?



In common usage she was clearly correct. You can stick to your definition, thinking everyone else is wrong, if you'd like, but it's going to make communicating with people difficult. Or you can just accept that neighborhoods and community areas aren't always the same thing.

To your first question, yes. They live in Bucktown and Logan Square. Just like someone who lives in Roscoe village lives in both North Center in Roscoe Village. Just like someone who lives in Streeterville also lives in the Near North side. Same as someone who lives in Wrigleyville also lives in Lakeview.

You are aware Wrigleyville follows that exact same thing? So are you telling me then that Wrigleyville should not be considered Lakeview?

[Chicagoist123]

Originally Posted by Lorielicious

You said this:


And then you said this:


So Bucktown is a part of Logan Square.... but Logan Square is like Lincoln Park in that it's a neighborhood with the same name as its community area. So is Bucktown imaginary, or...?

Bucktown is actually not real when it comes to boundaries. You cannot find any official boundaries to it. Just like Wrigleyville, Roscoe Village, West Lakeview, Wicker Park, etc. The only boundaries you will find are the ones set by real estate agents which will change depending on the real estate agency.

Does an area called "Bucktown" exist. Yeah. But it has no official boundaries, just a more or less agreed upon area but nothing concerete.

[Chicagoist123]

Originally Posted by ChiNaan

If I remember correctly this might be the same poster who once refused to acknowledge that Chicago is often broken down into North, South, and West sides. If so, all bets are off, and he/she may honestly believe Bucktown is imaginary.

Nope that wasn't me.

Just FYI I studied urban planning here in Chicago and did extensive research for those four years on Chicago neighborhoods. I also worked for a real estate magazine for a year and half. So I know how the cookie crumbles when it comes to neighborhoods. Yes "Bucktown" and "Wicker Park" exist but there are no official boundaries.

This is like arguing the boundaries of downtown. Some people will argue it is only the Loop others will say downtown extends to the Near North Side. WHen there are no official boundaries it can become very fluid. With community areas it's not fluid.

Fact is if you live on Clark Addison, you officially live in Lakeview and unoffically in Wrigleyville.