Humboldt Park????

[Avengerfire]

Originally Posted by williepotatoes

...The big wave of Puerto Rican immigration accelerated the exodus, but it was not anywhere as ugly a transition as the racial change that swept the adjacent west side at the same time.

You don't know about the PR riots in several different years then.

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1966 This guy was only wounded by police. He did not die:

"On June 12th, 1966, 20-year-old Aracelis Cruz was shot by police on the corner of Damen and Division in the wake of celebrations following the city’s first Puerto Rican Day parade. The shooting was the catalyst for a series of riots over the next two days that destroyed businesses, injured 16 and led to various reforms and community organization..."

Humboldt Park Riots Remembered - Chicagoist


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1966 And from their own mouths:

"...This uprising against police brutality lasted three days and three nights. White-owned businesses in the Puerto Rican community were targeted as symbols of racism and national oppression. "

"...Battles were fought between Puerto Rican youth and the cops, with the youth armed only with bricks, rocks and bottles..."

""The Puerto Rican people have been driven from every area of the city except for Humboldt Park. Puerto Ricans have lived in Humboldt Park for 50 years. In a speech he gave at the dedication of the new mural on Paseo Boricua depicting the 1966 uprising, Jose Lopez said, “We have laid claim to Humboldt Park, and we will be here for a long time to come!”"

Puerto Ricans rebelled against police violence

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1977

"...The celebration sometimes got out of control, as the day shifted to evening hours. Late that afternoon (June 1977), the Chicago Police Department decided to take the park back by ordering everyone to leave the park. Those orders were ignored and many of the residents decided to clash with the police; there were two fatalities, many injured people, and many arrest..."

http://www.puertoricanchicago.com/ga...-Taco.jpg.html'

And go read this:

http://www.chipublib.org/search/details/cn/8343000

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You really need to learn about this crap buddy. It is shocking. Learn the truth.

[williepotatoes]

Originally Posted by Avengerfire

You don't know about the PR riots in several different years then.

The guy was only wounded by police. He did not die:

"On June 12th, 1966, 20-year-old Aracelis Cruz was shot by police on the corner of Damen and Division in the wake of celebrations following the city’s first Puerto Rican Day parade. The shooting was the catalyst for a series of riots over the next two days that destroyed businesses, injured 16 and led to various reforms and community organization..."

Humboldt Park Riots Remembered - Chicagoist

And from their own mouths:

"...This uprising against police brutality lasted three days and three nights. White-owned businesses in the Puerto Rican community were targeted as symbols of racism and national oppression. "

"...Battles were fought between Puerto Rican youth and the cops, with the youth armed only with bricks, rocks and bottles..."

""The Puerto Rican people have been driven from every area of the city except for Humboldt Park. Puerto Ricans have lived in Humboldt Park for 50 years. In a speech he gave at the dedication of the new mural on Paseo Boricua depicting the 1966 uprising, Jose Lopez said, “We have laid claim to Humboldt Park, and we will be here for a long time to come!”"

Puerto Ricans rebelled against police violence

You really need to learn about this crap buddy. It is shocking. Learn the truth.

It was walk on the beach, compared to what went on on the west side, I know because I lived it, buddy.

[Avengerfire]

Originally Posted by williepotatoes

It was walk on the beach, compared to what went on on the west side, I know because I lived it, buddy.

Last time I looked Humboldt Park is on the West Side buddy.

[williepotatoes]

Originally Posted by Avengerfire

Last time I looked Humboldt Park is on the West Side buddy.

Read a little more carefully and you might figure out what a comparison is. I'm not holding my breath though.

[Avengerfire]

Originally Posted by williepotatoes

Read a little more carefully and you might figure out what a comparison is. I'm not holding my breath though.

Please enlighten me.

[Drover]

Originally Posted by williepotatoes

White ethnic flight from HP took hold big time in the 60's. Since no one ethnic group dominated, there was no feelings of entitlement to the neighborhood. Many if not most were climbing the middle-class ladder and were already bound for better digs in newer neighborhoods and suburbia. The big wave of Puerto Rican immigration accelerated the exodus, but it was not anywhere as ugly a transition as the racial change that swept the adjacent west side at the same time.

It was actually worse. Unlike many south and west side neighborhoods where whites just packed up and ran en masse, whites in Humboldt Park took a stand, sometimes with violence. Humboldt Park was pretty much the last Gaylord stronghold after they had been more or less neutralized throughout the rest of the city. The white and PR gang clashes that took place back then helped set the stage for the gang presence that still holds sway in the neighborhood today.

[Chi-town Native]

Let's not forget the riots in the late 60s weren't all just some inner-city thing. There were white youth a-plenty rioting downtown and in Lincoln Park for similar anti-government reasons - rioting was a pretty popular pastime back in the days of a draft & unpopular war.

[williepotatoes]

Originally Posted by Drover

It was actually worse. Unlike many south and west side neighborhoods where whites just packed up and ran en masse, whites in Humboldt Park took a stand, sometimes with violence. Humboldt Park was pretty much the last Gaylord stronghold after they had been more or less neutralized throughout the rest of the city. The white and PR gang clashes that took place back then helped set the stage for the gang presence that still holds sway in the neighborhood today.

I think you have to make a distinction between the experiences of gang combatants and the vast majority of us, who were not gang combatants. By 1980 the only white gang left near HP with significant numbers were the LAGL's. That strip of Fullerton avenue had a pretty active bar scene during that era which was dominated by younger whites (of which I was one). During the non-stop chaos that was the Fullerton war in those days, the social scene flourished without incident. Gunshots, flying objects and crashing cars were the routine, yet us non-combatants who were the real majority were seldom ever victims. It was actually some pretty dynamic entertainment. I can't tell you how many times I stepped out of a tavern and and had some Latino gangbanger run past me carrying a bat or a brick.

Those of us who stayed or returned never felt like we were making a stand. We stayed because we could, and because we wanted to. It was hardly paradise, but the neighborhoods still had some fun going on and we had sentimental feelings for our native turf.

[williepotatoes]

Originally Posted by Avengerfire

Please enlighten me.

The racial sweep of the west side displaced more than 300,000 whites and left most with big losses on their only source of wealth, their houses, often sold at a third of original value. It was a violent and confrontational transition that destroyed a section of Chicago 8 times the size of HP.

The 1968 race riots dwarfed all the PR parade riots combined in tone and in scope. 12,000 troops were put in the streets to end it. The entire city was on lockdown for days with a 24 hour curfew for all under the age of twenty-one. 225 buildings were burnt to the ground and businesses and factories closed up, never to re-open. From a second story window on Belden avenue, I could look south and see the entire skyline filled with smoke clouds. That was the end for the remaining whites in close proximity, they fled in panic.

My extended family of working class renters settled on the west side and then escaped to areas in HP and Logan Square. When most left those areas during the Puerto Rican migration, they did so on their own terms. Fear and intimidation were not a factor. People were moving up on the economic scale and started living their suburban dreams.

I stayed long, long after my hood had changed from majority white to majority PR. Believe it or not lots of whites and PR's co-existed with minimal conflict in those days. And they still do today.

[jenniferashley99]

Humboldt Park?? No way. Don't do it. Too many "issues" there. For that price (1,000) go to Roger's Park. It's cheap and beaches right there. Good luck