W. Touhy/N. Paulina in Rogers Park (school, to live)

[Drover]

Originally Posted by mohammed wong

its going to gentrify?
you must not understand what gentrification is, its a slow and steady process, there are people that move in earlier than others and get a much better deal on real estate like in the 80s and 90s in wicker park and bucktown,
are you to say that these areas werent gentrfiying during that time?
it was, gentrification is a slow and steady process until it hits the tipping point
which is when anyone would find the area a nice place to live,

right now that stop is sheridan just north of addison on the redline,
otherwise you will see that most people would just be scard ****less for some reason.

please define gentrification,
and then outline exactly how rogers park isnt gentrifying.
you can be mugged anywhere,
my parents lived in lincoln park in the seventies
on the north side of it by lincoln and wrightwood,
and that was considered the bad side of town,
bus barns were at what is now jonquil park at sheffield and wrightwood,
there was also a junk yard for old cars,
the playground was littered with broken glass, there was a rundown old gas station where the seven eleven was on the corner,
people were very pessimistic about where we lived there,
its all a matter of perspective, there was a knife fight in front our building there,
we had to constantly kick people off of our front stoop and it had alot of litter
who wouldnt buy in that area of lincoln park in the seventies if they knew
what it would be like today?

Rogers Park of the eighties and nineties is totally different of the rogers park of today, there are more businesses on morse and glenwood,
there are renovations going on,
Morseland is an awesome bar, the Morse theatre at the corner of wayne and morse is undergoing a multimillion dollar renovation,
Leonas has outdoor seating now, There is an upscale bistro on pratt and sheridan, Common Cup is on Morse and greenview,
there is Dagle and Beli and a great new italian restaurant on jarvis,
Yes there are still drug dealers on Morse, but more and more they are sticking out like sore thumbs
compared to who lives there, the minimall on morse and the low rise hovel of storefronts across the street
need to go and then they wont have a place to hangout,

kindof reminds me of wickerpark and bucktown in the nineties,
still rough, but new businesses and new people fixing up the area,

i guess gentrification for some people is an incompletely understood process

you could be mugged anywhere,
especially if you dont use your head,
what makes Rogers Park a place that is different from other areas that are gentrifying is that its so so dense, and that section 8ers were funneled up here during the teardowns of public housing,
this artificial concentration of poverty is coming to an end,
for one the 1340 w morse block building is doomed as well as the hellish four plus one to the north that extends to lunt.

four plus ones are being condoconverted, or fixed up or they will be demolished,

gentrification isnt about a mythical someday,
its a process that has been in motion since the seventies,
I have seen it in action since I was a little kid living on the
bad side of Lincoln Park. And I havent seen anything yet that has been able to stop it.

Blah blah yadda yadda yadda blah blah blah wooga wooga blah blah. None of this is relevant to the OP's question. She didn't ask for a history of the city's gentrification. She didn't ask for a definition of gentrification. She didn't ask what's been happening in Rogers Park since the 70s. She asked about she'll be dealing with while living at the intersection of Paulina and Touhy RIGHT NOW, TODAY. So please, please stop turning every discussion regarding Rogers Park into a tome about how it's ever-so-surely gentrifying and has been since the 70s and nothing will stop the process and on and on, no matter how irrelevant to the original topic at hand. Thanks.

[blakeandahalf]

First of all, I've lived in various places throughout my life. Briefly in NYC, a good stretch in Baton Rouge, La. and New Orleans, and even Athens for awhile. I went to a majority black high school in Baker, La.-and when I say majority, I mean I was one of 5 white kids.

risk aversion isn't my problem.

so, don't tell me I 'lack awareness' or that i'm too stupid to know better.

Now, it's true you can get mugged anywhere, and I have never said that slow gentrification is the reason I'm leaving.

I'm leaving because I work late hours and I'd 'kinda of' like to not have to walk past brawls going up my steps.

I'd 'kind of' not like to see gooners attack kids at Ashland and Lunt.

I'd 'kind of' not like to woken up by police sirens across the street on a bi-weekly basis.

I would like to be proud of where I live.

I just don't want to wait 10 years to do it.

But, I guess that makes me a scared-######## white child.

If that helps you sleep better at night, so be it.

[Avengerfire]

It will take twenty years for Rogers Park to be safe enough to live in.

[mohammed wong]

Originally Posted by Drover

Blah blah yadda yadda yadda blah blah blah wooga wooga blah blah. None of this is relevant to the OP's question. She didn't ask for a history of the city's gentrification. She didn't ask for a definition of gentrification. She didn't ask what's been happening in Rogers Park since the 70s. She asked about she'll be dealing with while living at the intersection of Paulina and Touhy RIGHT NOW, TODAY. So please, please stop turning every discussion regarding Rogers Park into a tome about how it's ever-so-surely gentrifying and has been since the 70s and nothing will stop the process and on and on, no matter how irrelevant to the original topic at hand. Thanks.

nana boo boo i have my hands stuck in my ears,
never heard of that response before,
yeah i guess Rogers Park is a hole,
sorry for trying to hold a discussion that made sense,

you are right Rogers Park is a ghetto full of drugdealers,
steer clear of here, forget it, go to lincoln park or lincoln park lite i.e. lincoln square,
if you dont have the cajones to hang out in an incompletely gentrified neighborhood then please just hang out at places like the bar
central in wrigleyville.

[mohammed wong]

Originally Posted by Avengerfire

It will take twenty years for Rogers Park to be safe enough to live in.

wow that wont look so good in ten years or even five,

[mohammed wong]

Originally Posted by blakeandahalf

First of all, I've lived in various places throughout my life. Briefly in NYC, a good stretch in Baton Rouge, La. and New Orleans, and even Athens for awhile. I went to a majority black high school in Baker, La.-and when I say majority, I mean I was one of 5 white kids.

risk aversion isn't my problem.

so, don't tell me I 'lack awareness' or that i'm too stupid to know better.

Now, it's true you can get mugged anywhere, and I have never said that slow gentrification is the reason I'm leaving.

I'm leaving because I work late hours and I'd 'kinda of' like to not have to walk past brawls going up my steps.

I'd 'kind of' not like to see gooners attack kids at Ashland and Lunt.

I'd 'kind of' not like to woken up by police sirens across the street on a bi-weekly basis.

I would like to be proud of where I live.

I just don't want to wait 10 years to do it.

But, I guess that makes me a scared-######## white child.

If that helps you sleep better at night, so be it.

yeah i guess its better to bail then to hang in there
and help the area improve,
you got me there.

im always proud of where i live
I have lived in riverwest in milwaukee
I have lived in the bad part of santa monica on 18th street by the community college
I now I live in Rogers Park,
I dont walk away from problems,
I am here to stay to make the area a better place,

Risk aversion means you cant handle any risk
hence the aversion aspect,
Risk Aware means you can handle risk,
if you cant handle it than dont complain about it and just go to a risk aversion area,
Now im not risk oblivious,
if I was like the guy in unbreakable I would be risk oblivious
but i myself admit i couldnt live in austin or even east garfield park

I can handle Rogers Park,
I guess Im not pessimistic
and I guess I understand the full spectrum of gentrification,

One way of dealing with a problem is avoiding it completly and being negative
and another way is standing your ground and being smart
and not putting yourself in harms way
though hard work me and my family are fixing up a place that would otherwise continue to decay,
I and my family are putting our money and time into restoring and fixing up an apartment building in Rogers Park
just down the street from the New Morse Theatre,
and I enjoy living here, what is wrong with that?

gooning is going on, and its terrible, and needs to stop,
leaving wont make that problem go away however,
what you said doesnt make me sleep better at night,
it just means you are completely risk averse.

[Drover]

Originally Posted by mohammed wong

nana boo boo i have my hands stuck in my ears,
never heard of that response before,
yeah i guess Rogers Park is a hole,
sorry for trying to hold a discussion that made sense,

you are right Rogers Park is a ghetto full of drugdealers,
steer clear of here, forget it, go to lincoln park or lincoln park lite i.e. lincoln square,
if you dont have the cajones to hang out in an incompletely gentrified neighborhood then please just hang out at places like the bar
central in wrigleyville.

I didn't say any of these things about Rogers Park. So either respond to what I actually said, or don't respond at all.

Between you and me, I greatly prefer the latter.

[blakeandahalf]

Originally Posted by mohammed wong

gooning is going on, and its terrible, and needs to stop,
leaving wont make that problem go away however,
what you said doesnt make me sleep better at night,
it just means you are completely risk averse.

well, I'm glad you know me so well. I'm sure glad you're standing your ground and making the world a better place- Unlike myself, because, afterall you know me so well (me and people like me right?). you should be commended for all of your hard diligence and worthwhile civic duty

[blakeandahalf]

and furthermore.

I never said there was anything wrong with anyone liking RP.

I have friends here. They love it.

There is nothing wrong with anyone liking a place.

Least of all you.

[mohammed wong]

whats funny about what drover said
is that i didnt say that rogers park was gentrifying since the seventies
i said that chicago was
rogers park worsened in the eighties and nineties
and is only now turning around
whoever said that rogers park was improving during those days is full of it

i am simply trying to give someone a perspective into gentrification
in CHICAGO