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Nyrules IS comparing Apples to Oranges.
12-30-2010, 06:31 PM
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Really? hmmm that started out as a 6 lane highway and when was the last time you were on Cicero? 1970? It's 6 lanes as well.
It is? In Chicago? That's news to me.
12-30-2010, 07:58 PM
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It's true that traffic in the city is getting worse than ever in my opinion, but the layout and design of Chicago allow for a lot of creative solutions. If you know the territory, you can snake your way around a lot of the bad spots. The plethora of side streets and alleys in Chicago make for quick escape routes at the last second.
Amen to that. I now live in a place that has no logical traffic alternatives in a snare. God bless foresight and good city planning.
12-30-2010, 09:02 PM
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It is? In Chicago? That's news to me.
From I-55 south down to at least 111th is all 3 lane on each side. Do any of you ever travel to the south side?
12-30-2010, 09:15 PM
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The last time I was on Cicero was yesterday afternoon. Very little of it is 6 lanes. Some of it is as narrow as 2 lanes. Additionally, the street in your video isn't Cicero, it's North Avenue. Furthermore, to say the lights are "uncoordinated" assumes they were traveling in the same direction as the prioritized flow when we have no idea what time of day this was filmed. Finally, I wonder how much more fluid this video would look if it were time-lapsed like your other "apples to apples" videos.
The whole idea here was to show that even on a 2 way street signals CAN be programmed to change to green as you approach them. Don't you think Queens Blvd which btw is hardly any more a HIGHWAY 25 than Cicero and North Ave. are. North Ave and Cicero are both considered Highways as well. Ever notice IL64 or US 50? What do you think that means? Those are major arterials. Just like Queens Blvd or Flatbush or any of them over on the east coast. There was no arguement that Queens Blvd is 3 lanes on each side. What the video shows is that signals even on a 2 way there are programmed to be coordinated with one another while ours change randomly with no apparent coordination be it North Ave, Harlem, Cicero, you name it, UNTIL you cross the city limits. IDOT I will pay a compliment to, has its signals programmed fairly well. Ever drive down 95th Street from Harlem to Pulaski? If you do the posted 30 mph you will make most lights without being stopped. Cross the city limits and it changes, all of a sudden you may make one or two green lights then are stopped. After your perpendicular street changes back to red, next if the CDOT controlled signal has green lefts the green left turn arrows come on whether someone is in the turning lane or not while in the burbs that doesn't happen unless the vehicle sensor is malfunctioning. In 90% of the cases though IDOT has the sensors working properly to maximize traffic flow through the intersection. This is where calling 311 to report a malfunctioning traffic signal comes in. If you see a signal in Chicago turning on the green left for no reason call it in so the loops can get fixed to maximize traffic flow through that intersection. Really folks this wasn't to get into an arguement over. Queens Blvd goes through Queens yes, however this was to point out that even in their other bouroughs that the signals still work just fine, be it Brooklyn, Queens, anywhere. Seriously I don't know what your arguement is here? You saying that we shouldn't coordinate signals to maximize traffic flow? I'm not getting what your arguement is here. Other cities have re-programmed their signals to maximize traffic flow, why can't our city do the same?
Here's their 2 way
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LICu40QmB94
Chicago's 2 way. Same style street with less traffic by far and uncoordinated signals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v73g1Qzk6I
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12-30-2010, 09:24 PM
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From I-55 south down to at least 111th is all 3 lane on each side. Do any of you ever travel to the south side?
Yep. But a vast majority of Cicero Ave in Chicago is 2 lanes a side. Most of that 3 lane a side Cicero Ave is not in Chicago.
12-30-2010, 09:29 PM
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Nyrules IS comparing Apples to Oranges.
You're right I'm giving Chicago a HUGE lead in this race, it has a far better layout of Streets and far less traffic, yet you can make it through how many signals green lights there vs. here? That's what this arguement is all about. Not lane capacity. There is no doubt NY's streets are usually wider for some reason but they at the same time have 3 times the traffic on their streets. Their metro area is some 18 mil vs. our 7 mil. BIG difference. Therefore their traffic should have you stopped all the time and that's just not the case.
12-30-2010, 09:31 PM
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Yep. But a vast majority of Cicero Ave in Chicago is 2 lanes a side. Most of that 3 lane a side Cicero Ave is not in Chicago.
The lane capacity is NOT the arguement here. Are you just not getting that? It's the signal's coordination. THATS THE TOPIC HERE.
12-30-2010, 09:36 PM
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The lane capacity is NOT the arguement here. Are you just not getting that? It's the signal's coordination. THATS THE TOPIC HERE.
NO, THIS IS THE TOPIC HERE:
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The "rush hour" in the city of chicago is 6 a.m. until 10 p.m. Mon. through Fri.
Here you are talking about NYC.
Give it a rest.
12-30-2010, 09:39 PM
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This is the argument here:
Chicago nor IL has any money to widen roads unfortunantly all we can do it try to make what we have flow as best possible. Coordinated signals will push any given roadway to it's maximum potential. The traffic will be bumper to bumper but it should be moving at least. Plus at nearly 4 bucks a gal again, a car kept in constant motion will get better mileage than one racing red light to red light. The signals are the one variable here that we can change at a minimum cost. Widening roads however costs a fortune.
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Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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