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View Poll Results: Would you say Chicago has been better compared to its peers?
Yes it has remained relatively well compared to its peers 3 42.86%
No, it actually hasn't 1 14.29%
Compared to Los Angeles yes it has, but to New York City & Washington DC not really the case 3 42.86%
Other Option 0 0%
Voters: 7. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-25-2010, 01:57 AM
 
Location: Austin, TX/Chicago, IL/Houston, TX/Washington, DC
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This isn't concerning anything smaller than Chicago's range, we're looking at how Chicago & Chicagoland have done this past decade compared to their peers (New York City, Washington DC-Baltimore, & Los Angeles).

Chicagoland (Chicago):

2000 & 2001: 9,192,501
Birth: 180,089
Death: 88,447
Domestic Migration: -69,264
International Immigration: 71,106
The Gain/Loss (+/-) from the previous year: + 94,185

2002: 9,245,135
Birth: 141,220
Death: 70,804
Domestic Migration: -68,594
International Immigration: 50,473
The Gain/Loss (+/-) from the previous year: + 52,634

2003: 9,286,162
Birth: 140,928
Death: 70,056
Domestic Migration: -72,392
International Immigration: 40,344
The Gain/Loss (+/-) from the previous year: + 41,027

2004: 9,332,090
Birth: 142,927
Death: 69,459
Domestic Migration: -65,648
International Immigration: 38,716
The Gain/Loss (+/-) from the previous year: + 45,928

2005: 9,362,080
Birth: 138,741
Death: 68,894
Domestic Migration: -77,413
International Immigration: 37,933
The Gain/Loss (+/-) from the previous year: + 29,990

2006: 9,398,855
Birth: 138,252
Death: 67,845
Domestic Migration: -73,066
International Immigration: 38,584
The Gain/Loss (+/-) from the previous year: + 36,775

2007: 9,451,936
Birth: 139,237
Death: 67,373
Domestic Migration: -52,317
International Immigration: 34,082
The Gain/Loss (+/-) from the previous year: + 53,081

2008: 9,515,636
Birth: 138,954
Death: 67,297
Domestic Migration: -42,587
International Immigration: 33,358
The Gain/Loss (+/-) from the previous year: + 63,700

2009: 9,580,567
Birth: 139,860
Death: 68,307
Domestic Migration: -40,389
International Immigration: 33,363
The Gain/Loss (+/-) from the previous year: + 64,931

Southland (Los Angeles):

2000 & 2001: 12,525,736
Birth: 251,242
Death: 94,561
Domestic Migration: -131,475
International Immigration: 145,552
The Gain/Loss (+/-) from the previous year: + 160,109

2002: 12,634,977
Birth: 196,949
Death: 76,989
Domestic Migration: -109,081
International Immigration: 108,487
The Gain/Loss (+/-) from the previous year: + 109,241

2003: 12,717,433
Birth: 197,857
Death: 76,592
Domestic Migration: -119,572
International Immigration: 93,158
The Gain/Loss (+/-) from the previous year: + 82,456

2004: 12,764,590
Birth: 196,469
Death: 78,851
Domestic Migration: -140,643
International Immigration: 83,517
The Gain/Loss (+/-) from the previous year: + 47,157

2005: 12,761,175
Birth: 196,420
Death: 75,376
Domestic Migration: -199,800
International Immigration: 87,057
The Gain/Loss (+/-) from the previous year: -3,415

2006: 12,713,660
Birth: 194,684
Death: 77,921
Domestic Migration: -243,722
International Immigration: 86,426
The Gain/Loss (+/-) from the previous year: -47,515

2007: 12,692,603
Birth: 195,976
Death: 76,104
Domestic Migration: -222,018
International Immigration: 78,155
The Gain/Loss (+/-) from the previous year: -21,057

2008: 12,768,395
Birth: 195,244
Death: 76,351
Domestic Migration: -118,909
International Immigration: 75,265
The Gain/Loss (+/-) from the previous year: + 75,792

2009: 12,874,797
Birth: 190,001
Death: 77,968
Domestic Migration: -79,900
International Immigration: 75,062
The Gain/Loss (+/-) from the previous year: + 106,402






Summary:
-Compared to its peer Los Angeles (which hasn't seen such good times lately) its held up quite well. Los Angeles MSA (aka Southland- the metropolitan area) actually saw population decline in 2005, 2006, & 2007. Los Angeles's city saw a population decline in 2006 coming in from 2005. Chicago's city population started to decline again (after gaining population from 1990-2000) in 2002 and declined every year until 2006. 2007 & 2008 Chicago saw a reversal and started to gain population inside its city again and the trend is likely to stay. Chicago MSA (aka Chicagoland- the metropolitan area) hasn't seen a population loss at all.
- So Los Angeles has seen both decline in its city & its metropolitan area in the recent 5 years, where as Chicago has seen only decline in its city but not metropolitan area in the same time frame.
- Chicago also managed to keep a lower domestic migrant loss rate than Los Angeles & New York City. Los Angeles MSA despite being 6 million people smaller than New York City MSA has a bit more of a domestic migration population loss. That's not a good sign for them at all.
-The only things holding Chicago back are crime (yes I know its being reduced but not fast enough), public schools, & innovation.
If Chicago can get those things solved, it will take off, but the reality is that Chicago will see a decline in crime, it can improve its schools, but innovation is something Chicago desperately needs- and something that might not happen in large parts for Chicago.
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Old 10-25-2010, 06:18 AM
 
Location: South Chicagoland
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This thread should be in City Vs. City.
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Old 10-25-2010, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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I think this really depends on how you define "peers". If you are looking at only the biggest cities, than it is New York, LA, and possibly Houston. If you are looking at the biggest METROs, than it is New York, LA, and Dallas/Fort Worth. If you are looking more regionally, than Detroit, Minneapolis, and Saint Louis are the next three biggest METROs in the general midwest.

Chicago is definitely doing better than Detroit and Saint Louis, and definitely doing worse than New York, Houston, and Dallas. All things considered, I think Chicago as a METRO area is doing pretty well considering it's location. The fact that there are many nearby cities, such as Gary, South Bend, Rockford, Detroit, and Saint Louis that are really not doing all that well, I believe, provides an additional challenge to Chicago, as the proximity to other thriving cities improves both business and residential appeal.

Finally, is it fair to use population change and only population change to measure how well a particular metropolitan are is doing. I understand there is a strong correlation, but what about other quality of life factors such as crime rate and income? Is it possible for a metro to be losing population, but decreasing in crime/increasing in wealth, or visa versa? Also, are you mainly interested in metro area as a whole, or just the city itself. You have statistics for both measures somewhat interchangeably.
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Old 10-25-2010, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Not where you ever lived
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Moderator: To avoid moving this to City vs City then the thread needs to stay on topic. Otherwise, I will be glad to move it. The choice belongs to the OP. Thanks!
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Old 10-25-2010, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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I am not quite sure what the point of this thread is.
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