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Old 12-11-2015, 09:13 AM
 
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You can view each PARCC state separately here:

State Results
What I'm struggling with is the cut scores though. Are they consistent across all states? How can Ohio's numbers look so good compared to Illinois?
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Old 12-11-2015, 10:57 AM
 
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This test looks like a scam.
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Old 12-11-2015, 11:07 AM
 
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This test looks like a scam.
Batavia High improved it's relative position vs last year's PSAE, no? Now ahead of St. Charles East, Oak Park & River Forest, Barrington, Glenbrook South, and a lot of other really desirable high schools. Matched scores with York in Elmhurst.

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Old 12-11-2015, 12:18 PM
 
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Default Until there is an "item analysis" it is difficult to say what it means...

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What I'm struggling with is the cut scores though. Are they consistent across all states? How can Ohio's numbers look so good compared to Illinois?
... the pathetic mess that most schools encountered when administering PARCC strongly suggest that there is a whole lot of "noise" burying any hint of "signal". Ideally the ISBE might have some analysts that are familiar with categorizing which questions proved most problematic to which groups of students. Such information would help in determining if the questions that the test makers considered "more basic" were consistently accurately found by students in schools with a history of high performance and more difficult questions were found to have a corresponding smaller number of correct responses farther out on the bell curve. My gut says that may not happen...

One of the areas that ISBE did cut back on was the number of internal and contracted analysts so individual school districts will have to do the item analysis, and they don't have much incentive to share that data if it shows that there is no correlation between more challenging answers and higher scores in things like AP performance.

In talking to many friends that are still teaching there is a lot of concern that PARCC has some fatal flaws. One of the real "bell weather" states for standardized testing has pulled out for some very valid reasons -- http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/22/us...its-model.html

Illinois is in a real mess. The budget impasse makes it all the harder for any progress to be made in honestly assessing if PARCC really makes sense for the needs of school in this state. Beyond just PARCC or even Common Core as a national framework for curricular consistency the idea that a "top tier" education is achievable in a State where the political insiders seem determined to drive away residents and employers ought to highlight the real political dilemma -- does being smart matter here? In the broadest sense, while I applaud the increased autonomy give to states in the new Federal education bill, there is still no real mechanism to even attempt to truly reward methods that may result in increased performance for students that have historically underperformed.

Sadly the bulk of the PARCC test results show the same patterns that have been seen over and over -- well off kids do better than those that are from more economically meager backgrounds. There is nothing innovative about the Federal government telling states to do more for the lowest 5%. Quite the opposite, this is the same broken mindset that has seen ineffective efforts for decades...
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Old 12-11-2015, 04:50 PM
 
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PSAE results represent a better picture of how schools are doing (that and the IL college information that I've posted before). Unfortunately, Highland Park still has a significant gap between its white and hispanic students though the support for its hispanic community is strong. Looking at the white populations of what people consider the most highly regarded public schools supports what I've said all along.

PSAE results of white students:

New Trier 94 (overall PSAE 92)
Highland Park 92 (overall PSAE 81)
Evanston 92 (overall PSAe 70)
Hinsdale Central 91 (overall PSAE 89)
Stevenson 90 (overall PSAE 88)
Neuqua Valley 90 (overall PSAE 87)
Oak Park River Forest 90 (overall PSAE 77)
Glenbrook North 89 (overall PSAE 88)
Deerfield 88 (overall PSAE 88)
Libertyville 87 (overall PSAE 87)
Lyons Township 86 (overall PSAE 79)
Lake Forest 86 (overall PSAE 86)

I may have missed a few. PM and I will add.
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Old 12-11-2015, 06:14 PM
 
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PSAE results represent a better picture of how schools are doing (that and the IL college information that I've posted before). Unfortunately, Highland Park still has a significant gap between its white and hispanic students though the support for its hispanic community is strong. Looking at the white populations of what people consider the most highly regarded public schools supports what I've said all along.

2014 PSAE results of white students:

New Trier 94 (overall PSAE 92)
Highland Park 92 (overall PSAE 81)
Evanston 92 (overall PSAe 70)
Hinsdale Central 91 (overall PSAE 89)
Stevenson 90 (overall PSAE 88)
Neuqua Valley 90 (overall PSAE 87)
Oak Park River Forest 90 (overall PSAE 77)
Glenbrook North 89 (overall PSAE 88)
Deerfield 88 (overall PSAE 88)
Libertyville 87 (overall PSAE 87)
Lyons Township 86 (overall PSAE 79)
Lake Forest 86 (overall PSAE 86)

I may have missed a few. PM and I will add.
I think your numbers were just the English portion. I updated for English + Math.

PSAE results of white students:

1. 93 New Trier (overall PSAE 92)
1. 93 Evanston (overall PSAE 70)
3. 91 Highland Park (overall PSAE 81)
4. 90 Hinsdale Central (overall PSAE 89)
4. 90 Deerfield (overall PSAE 88)
6. 89 Neuqua Valley (overall PSAE 87)
6. 89 Oak Park River Forest (overall PSAE 77)
6. 89 Stevenson (overall PSAE 88)
6. 89 Libertyville (overall PSAE 87)
6. 89 Glenbrook North (overall PSAE 88)
11. 87 Naperville North (overall PSAE 80)
11. 87 Hersey (overall PSAE 73)
11. 87 Fremd (overall PSAE 83)
11. 87 Glenbrook South (overall PSAE 83)
15. 86 Metea Valley (overall PSAE 76)
15. 86 Prospect (overall PSAE 83)
15. 86 Lake Forest (overall PSAE 86)
15. 86 Lyons Township (overall PSAE 79)
19. 85 Wheaton North (overall PSAE 77)
19. 85 Barrington (overall PSAE 78)
19. 85 Vernon Hills (overall PSAE 83)
22. 84 York (overall PSAE 77)
23. 83 Wheaton South (overall PSAE 69)
24. 82 Glenbard West (overall PSAE 67)
24. 82 Naperville Central (overall PSAE 80)
24. 82 Geneva (overall PSAE 81)
24. 82 Waubonsie Valley (overall PSAE 71)
24. 82 Lake Zurich (overall PSAE 80)
29. 81 St. Charles North (overall PSAE 77)
29. 81 Downers Grove North (overall PSAE 77)
29. 81 Batavia (overall PSAE 77)
32. 80 St. Charles North (overall PSAE 80)
32. 80 Maine South (overall PSAE 79)

Top to bottom, white demographic scores are only 13 points apart, while overall scores are 25 points apart.

Biggest Gaps:

+23 Evanston
+15 Glenbard West
+14 Wheaton South
+14 Hersey
+12 Oak Park River Forest
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Old 12-11-2015, 06:43 PM
 
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I think your numbers were just the English portion. I updated for English + Math.

PSAE results of white students:

1. 93 New Trier (overall PSAE 92)
1. 93 Evanston (overall PSAE 70)
3. 91 Highland Park (overall PSAE 81)
4. 90 Hinsdale Central (overall PSAE 89)
4. 90 Deerfield (overall PSAE 88)
6. 89 Neuqua Valley (overall PSAE 87)
6. 89 Oak Park River Forest (overall PSAE 77)
6. 89 Stevenson (overall PSAE 88)
6. 89 Libertyville (overall PSAE 87)
6. 89 Glenbrook North (overall PSAE 88)
11. 87 Naperville North (overall PSAE 80)
11. 87 Hersey (overall PSAE 73)
11. 87 Fremd (overall PSAE 83)
11. 87 Glenbrook South (overall PSAE 83)
15. 86 Metea Valley (overall PSAE 76)
15. 86 Prospect (overall PSAE 83)
15. 86 Lake Forest (overall PSAE 86)
15. 86 Lyons Township (overall PSAE 79)
19. 85 Wheaton North (overall PSAE 77)
19. 85 Barrington (overall PSAE 78)
19. 85 Vernon Hills (overall PSAE 83)
22. 84 York (overall PSAE 77)
23. 83 Wheaton South (overall PSAE 69)
24. 82 Glenbard West (overall PSAE 67)
24. 82 Naperville Central (overall PSAE 80)
24. 82 Geneva (overall PSAE 81)
24. 82 Waubonsie Valley (overall PSAE 71)
24. 82 Lake Zurich (overall PSAE 80)
29. 81 St. Charles North (overall PSAE 77)
29. 81 Downers Grove North (overall PSAE 77)
29. 81 Batavia (overall PSAE 77)
32. 80 St. Charles North (overall PSAE 80)
32. 80 Maine South (overall PSAE 79)

Top to bottom, white demographic scores are only 13 points apart, while overall scores are 25 points apart.

Biggest Gaps:

+23 Evanston
+15 Glenbard West
+14 Wheaton South
+14 Hersey
+12 Oak Park River Forest
So sorry! Thank you!
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Old 12-12-2015, 09:01 AM
 
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Batavia High improved it's relative position vs last year's PSAE, no? Now ahead of St. Charles East, Oak Park & River Forest, Barrington, Glenbrook South, and a lot of other really desirable high schools. Matched scores with York in Elmhurst.
Happy Batavia did well (they beat out STC North and East this year for ACTs, and looks like at the PARCC too), but I think the fact scores were so low just shows a test like this is pretty ineffective, especially given the other schools scores. How many standardized tests do we need?
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Old 12-13-2015, 04:19 PM
 
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Not surprised to see that TWP HSD 113 did not take the PARCC test seriously. Kudos to them.
At least at Deerfield, most students just wrote their names on the test because it looked really hard. Deerfield only had 6% of students meeting standards and Highland Park only had 7%. It's very concerning that the schools were way below schools that they once ranked near like New Trier, Glenbrooks, Lake Forest, Stevenson, etc. and many other schools. I honestly am not for standardozed tests including the PARCC but District 113's does raise some questions.
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Old 12-14-2015, 07:06 AM
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At least at Deerfield, most students just wrote their names on the test because it looked really hard. Deerfield only had 6% of students meeting standards and Highland Park only had 7%. It's very concerning that the schools were way below schools that they once ranked near like New Trier, Glenbrooks, Lake Forest, Stevenson, etc. and many other schools. I honestly am not for standardozed tests including the PARCC but District 113's does raise some questions.
I think that kind of activity was more widespread than many realize. There was discussion among many parents and kids that since the test did not matter for anything important as far as the student and college were concerned, just put anything down and be done with it. This was especially true in the high schools.

All of these scores are suspect. It was also reported in the Daily Herald last week that many high schools in the northwest suburbs had an extremely high nonparticipation rate like 90% at Rolling Meadows not taking the tests and even at highly rated schools like Hersey (60% not tested) and Prospect (81% not tested in reading and 57% not tested in math). There was a boycott the test mentality in District 214 where student's just opted out of taking the test at all. At other schools, the opt out was more subtle with students showing up but not doing anything except writing their names down or just answering "C" to all questions.

I would not put any significance on these tests at all.
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