06-08-2015, 08:35 AM
Location: Tri-Cities
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I still think Aurora Airport would make more sense. That would serve the entire Fox Valley/offer an alternative for those not wanting to drive up to O'Hare. It could also more easily serve the growing DeKalb area. It would be a lot more "central" in the state than one in Peotone would be.
06-12-2015, 09:23 AM
Location: Valparaiso, IN
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
aga412
I still think Aurora Airport would make more sense. That would serve the entire Fox Valley/offer an alternative for those not wanting to drive up to O'Hare. It could also more easily serve the growing DeKalb area. It would be a lot more "central" in the state than one in Peotone would be.
Clearly being from NWI, Gary's failed attempts at becoming a hub is probably why I actually endorse a Peotone Airport. Aurora clearly wouldn't help my logistical situation and find myself grumbling when I have to drive out to Midway. It's just a bad road corridor to get through in order to get there.
The Illiana Expressway/Peotone combo made for a rather nice commute there in theory.
06-13-2015, 09:34 AM
Location: Tri-Cities
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
iidreamtheaterii
Clearly being from NWI, Gary's failed attempts at becoming a hub is probably why I actually endorse a Peotone Airport. Aurora clearly wouldn't help my logistical situation and find myself grumbling when I have to drive out to Midway. It's just a bad road corridor to get through in order to get there.
In theory, but for people within the state, it would really lessen the burden of traffic heading into the city if people were actually heading away from it. If BNSF could extend their line out to the Aurora Airport in Sugar Grove that would make for an excellent combo.
06-13-2015, 03:53 PM
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A good example of a useless airport is MidAmerica near St Louis. Originally part of Scott AFB, it was conceived as a reliever to Lambert field. It only sees about 20,000 boardings a year and only one cargo airline serves it. The Chicago area already has OHare, Midway, and Milwaukee. If the need for an airport convenient to the south suburbs were so critical, Gary would have taken off years ago. As it is, passengers come from over 100 miles (160 km) to fly out of OHare.
06-13-2015, 05:37 PM
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Illinois really needs to drop this idea already. O'Hare has plenty of capacity, they just need more gates to handle the flights.
Expert: O'Hare needs more gates, not more runways | Chicago
Cincinnati, St. Louis and other cities have all been de-hubbed recently. Great points have already been made about the lack of demand at Gary and Mid-America in the Illinois suburbs of St. Louis. I would love airport supporters to explain which airline is going to use Peotone as a hub? Airlines have been over capacity and struggling to be profitable for years.
http://www.thestreet.com/story/13180...-weakness.html
There's no way United or American are going to abandon O'Hare, and they discontinued all flights at Midway. Why would they operate a handful of flights out of Peotone?
Southwest has really been increasing their focus on business travelers over the last decade. They're not leaving Midway. Also, if they did, it would devastate the Southwest side.
Delta isn't going to abandon Detroit or Minneapolis.
And that's it for major carriers now. Niche carriers like Spirit and Frontier operate just a few flights from Chicago, and it's not because of capacity issues. Even if there was an airline willing to operate a few flights from Peotone, It's hard to justify a billion dollar plus airport for a few flights.
06-13-2015, 07:52 PM
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06-15-2015, 02:05 PM
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what about rockford's airport?
06-15-2015, 04:06 PM
Location: Chicago, Tri-Taylor
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Quote:
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MSchemist80
Who would want to fly out of Peotone, an airport in the middle of a corn field over an hours dive from Chicago (44 miles) with no public transit.
Well, duh. It may be cornfield now but if they build the airport and a highway, it'll fill in. We don't have enough affordable places for people to live that are 90% or more white non-Hispanic. This will also help the auto industry in these difficult times.
06-15-2015, 04:17 PM
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BRU67
Well, duh. It may be cornfield now but if they build the airport and a highway, it'll fill in. We don't have enough affordable places for people to live that are 90% or more white non-Hispanic. This will also help the auto industry in these difficult times.
Wow! First, that's what they said when they built the Kansas City airport in a cornfield almost 50 years. It hasn't happened, has it?
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3115.../data=!3m1!1e3
Second, why do we need affordable places to live filled with white people?
The third comment may be the most stunning. Why would people buy a new car just because there's a new subdivision? What are we going to do about the established communities further north that are already struggling? Why is more sprawl and pollution a good thing.
06-15-2015, 05:11 PM
Location: Chicago, Tri-Taylor
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I guess you missed the sarcasm there huh? Anyway, please direct your angst to the urban planners Quinn hired, apparently from Houston.
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House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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