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Cornfields might last just about indefinitely in some areas. The appeal of "Brand New Construction" is loosing its magnetic attraction for a variety of reasons. It would not surprise me if the fields and farms that even with excellent train service are still nearly an hour from the Loop never develop any significant density.
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As you noted, there already is a Metra station in University Park - Crete's neighor to the west. University Park is cushioned in between Monee and Crete so this proposed line doesn't have anything directly to do with Monee at all. Same deal with Peotone which is also closer to University park than Crete. And by the way, there are no "farming communties" out this way. Wtf? There are cornfields but the farmers live elsewhere.
I believe the metric electric line if extended would serve peotone
For people not to think monee, peotone, crete, beecher will not grow into larger towns need to rethink their thought process.
as people are spilling into will county
so far other parts of will show the most growth but if we have any kind of uptick in population these ares will fill in.
Chet's post seems to indicate that most of the black population of Hinsdale South is less affluent than other areas. This may be why they trail south suburban schools in performance.
I would love to see some stats to back this up. I simply don't buy into the "people do better where they can put their hair down" argument.
Sometimes, people need to be pushed (within reason) to achieve their full potential. This certainly seems to be the case in places like the north suburbs.
Losing the cornfields altogether would not be a good thing, remember farmers grow the food we eat! LMAO at another thread complaining that root vegetables were the only thing available from local farmer's markets in spring and fall. Do they not understand that is all that grows here during those times of year? Well, maybe lettuce. I digress...
The proposed line only extends into Crete, not Peotone. My guess is that Peotone, Beecher, Monee et. al. will be happy to have more options in regards to Chicago, but they're a little more insular. They're the furthest reaches of the demographic that this line will serve. Probably Crete wanted to boost attendance at Balmoral Park, while showcasing their bucolic scenery for the city folks. Crete has been quietly plugging along, developing into a thriving community that welcomes new business.
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That said I have my doubts that the political forces in power would like to see a more professional work force in the south burbs.
Why not? Is there some plot by The Man to keep His Foot on the Neck of the south burbs? J/K. Seriously, I don't think it's an intentional slight. The south side used to have lots more factories and mills that gave people jobs. I used to visit here when I was kid, man, did it stink to high heaven!
skorch~I'm going to stay excited anyway, 5-10 years is not that long. You said so yourself that it would influence where you moved. That is encouraging. I would also like to see Thornton develop a little more in the downtown, maybe add a few shops or a small diner, take a little more pride in itself.
As for your question, I am sure that the black students attending hinsdale south on average come from much more affluent households. I am sure that a lot more of the students from more affluent families attend marian catholic in the rich central school district. Marian catholic is around 33 percent african american by the way, so this goes for black students also. And rich central's student body is 52.1 percent low income. But, still made AYP at higher rates then the african american student body at hinsdale south. Rich Central's AYP results are not actually any worse in my opinion, then many so called better public west suburban schools. Hinsdale south, oak park-river forest, and evanston high school are all "top notch" high schools in the west and north suburbs with african american student bodies sizeable enough to be counted in the AYP results. And interesting enough the african american students are making AYP at lower rates at all of these "top notch" western and northern suburban schools than south suburban rich central high school.
And rich central is not the best school in the southern suburbs. That is of course homewood-flossmoor. By in large the quality of education at many south suburban public schools is totally comparable to many western and northern suburban school districts. Particularly the achievement gap between white and african american students is no lower at "top notch" west and north suburban schools then it is in the southern suburbs. And in many instances south suburban schools are outperforming western and northern suburban schools in that regard. And in the case of homewood-flossmoor, as far as students of all races making AYP at higher rates. Since there are enough black, white and hispanic students at homewood flossmoor for there AYP results to all be counted. HF is clearly one of the top ten suburban public high schools in the chicagoland area for it's students making AYP if you actually break down the numbers in an accurate manner. Right up there with barrington high school, naperville north, and the rest of the top ones.
Given that rich central is 93.6 percent african american and african american students test results are the only ones reported for rich central. It would be great to see how the small minority of white students faired at rich central. But since they are not reported the black student's results are all that we have to go on. Given the choice, most affluent parents within rich central's school district still would choose to send there kids to marian catholic. It's an outstanding school where a quality education is pretty much a given. Also, a very low percentage of low income students attending marian catholic. So it's kind of a social status thing as well as a top private school like marian catholic being a better academic environment.
I didnt go to HIinsdale South, but I know a few people who attended and taught there and I have relatives who went there and they're pretty wealthy.
Apparently most of the black students at Hinsdale South do not come from "well off" families. I dont have any stats backing this and I'm just going off what I've heard. Thats probably the mini reason why their test scores dont match up with Rich Centrals who's student mainly come from Olympian Feilds, Park Forest, Matteson ect.
Hinsdale South is not the only school with this situation. Like you said OPRF and Evanston High have the same scenario with alot of Lower income African American students attending supposedly "good School" in "Good" towns
There are some misconceptions already being promulgated in the thread regarding AYP -- rather than drift further off topic I would simply refer folks to check the actual scores of the subgroups on the tests instead of making assumptions of the value of improving...
Chet's post seems to indicate that most of the black population of Hinsdale South is less affluent than other areas. This may be why they trail south suburban schools in performance.
I would love to see some stats to back this up. I simply don't buy into the "people do better where they can put their hair down" argument.
Sometimes, people need to be pushed (within reason) to achieve their full potential. This certainly seems to be the case in places like the north suburbs.
Chets explanation would make perfect sense if it were accurate and supported by the facts. While hinsdale central is a wealthier school boundary than hinsdale south or 99 percent of school district boundaries in the united states for that matter. Hinsdale central's boundary includes oak brook, hinsdale, clarendon hills, and part of burr ridge. Hinsdale south has an affluent school boundary footprint as well. Which is made up of most of burr ridge and darien.
I posted the median income of both suburbs below broken down by race. It does not appear that income disparity would explain the lower academic performance of blacks attending hinsdale south in comparison to some south suburban schools. And majority of south suburban public high schools are producing similar results to hinsdale south in regard to it's black student body. In fact even hillcrest high school's 95.2 percent black student body is outperforming hinsdale south in the percent of black students making AYP. And hillcrest high school located in country club hills student body is made up of 45.4 percent low income students. Hillcrest attendance boundary includes hazel crest, country club hills, and markham.
Considering that rich central high school's student body is made up of over 52 percent low income students, I don't see how anyone could contend that rich central has a wealthier black student body than hinsdale south. As many affluent blacks as well as whites who live within the rich central district boundaries send there kids to highly regarded marian catholic or the new public charter school. This is reflected in marian catholic also having a 33 percent black student body by the way.
Burr ridge:
Median household income in 2009 for:
White non-Hispanic householders: $147,697
Black householders: $177,706
American Indian and Alaska Native householders: $81,844
Asian householders: $234,283
Some other race householders: $88,393
Two or more races householders: $233,680
Hispanic or Latino race householders: $222,370
Darien:
Median household income in 2009 for:
White non-Hispanic householders: $86,745
Black householders: $73,041
Asian householders: $120,468
Some other race householders: $96,825
Two or more races householders: $82,956
Hispanic or Latino race householders: $88,455
willowbrook:
Median household income in 2009 for:
White non-Hispanic householders: $65,155
Black householders: $71,306
American Indian and Alaska Native householders: $11,439
Asian householders: $104,009
Some other race householders: $72,123
Two or more races householders: $82,517
Hispanic or Latino race householders: $63,076
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The raw numbers that are used to generate median household incomes cause skewing by the well known effects of binodal distributions where there are so few data points.
You get one athlete or very well off business owner, most of whom do not have school age children in a nice townhouse for the season or a big estate sized home and that more than makes up for the few dozen lower income household in inexpensive apartments. Further the odd district lines that are NOT congruent with the boundaries for incorporated towns means unless you have census tract level data you ARE not going to be able to draw any meaningful conclusions by looking at the aggregated city / village level income data.
The vast majority of low cost apartments that attract low income folks looking to send their kids to Hins South are right along 83, south of the Stevenson with unincorporated mailing addresses of "Hinsdale" that are a leftover from when that was the only post office that served this portion of DuPage Co. before Willowbrook, Burr Ridge or Darien even existed.
Inside Burr Ridge a large percentage of kids are actually served by Lyons Township high school, though virtually no rentals exist in BR. Most of Willowbrook is either served by the "option" program when kids go to either Hinsdale Central or South or just south, but again not many rentals. Darien all heads to South, and few rentals there too.
Ask anybody who works for the schools or even lives or is in school down that why what the odds are of having a family not living in the apartmment complexes be one of the few dozen AA minorities...
When you are looking at the ethnicity subgroups or low income sub groups the same students are very likely in them at HinsSouth -- this is very different than towns served by Rich Central (or even OPRF or ETHS) -- http://iirc.niu.edu/School.aspx?sour...170002&level=S
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Chets explanation would make perfect sense if it were accurate and supported by the facts. While hinsdale central is a wealthier school boundary than hinsdale south or 99 percent of school district boundaries in the united states for that matter. Hinsdale central's boundary includes oak brook, hinsdale, clarendon hills, and part of burr ridge. Hinsdale south has an affluent school boundary footprint as well. Which is made up of most of burr ridge and darien.
I posted the median income of both suburbs below broken down by race. It does not appear that income disparity would explain the lower academic performance of blacks attending hinsdale south in comparison to some south suburban schools. And majority of south suburban public high schools are producing similar results to hinsdale south in regard to it's black student body. In fact even hillcrest high school's 95.2 percent black student body is outperforming hinsdale south in the percent of black students making AYP. And hillcrest high school located in country club hills student body is made up of 45.4 percent low income students. Hillcrest attendance boundary includes hazel crest, country club hills, and markham.
Considering that rich central high school's student body is made up of over 52 percent low income students, I don't see how anyone could contend that rich central has a wealthier black student body than hinsdale south. As many affluent blacks as well as whites who live within the rich central district boundaries send there kids to highly regarded marian catholic or the new public charter school. This is reflected in marian catholic also having a 33 percent black student body by the way.
Burr ridge:
Median household income in 2009 for:
White non-Hispanic householders: $147,697
Black householders: $177,706
American Indian and Alaska Native householders: $81,844
Asian householders: $234,283
Some other race householders: $88,393
Two or more races householders: $233,680
Hispanic or Latino race householders: $222,370
Darien:
Median household income in 2009 for:
White non-Hispanic householders: $86,745
Black householders: $73,041
Asian householders: $120,468
Some other race householders: $96,825
Two or more races householders: $82,956
Hispanic or Latino race householders: $88,455
willowbrook:
Median household income in 2009 for:
White non-Hispanic householders: $65,155
Black householders: $71,306
American Indian and Alaska Native householders: $11,439
Asian householders: $104,009
Some other race householders: $72,123
Two or more races householders: $82,517
Hispanic or Latino race householders: $63,076
I've always suspected that whoever compiles those statistics has a very loose definition of "low income". I agree with this post but I'm kinda getting tired of this same old debate..
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