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Old 12-19-2012, 01:30 PM
 
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...Obamacare might not be perfect, but to me it's a step in the right direction...the system cannot simply sustain millions of dollars of unpaid/"free" care.
Look north of the border to see what it will happen...the system will get clogged with people filling the waiting rooms for the tiniest scratch or imaginative sickness while abusing the "free" system. The result will be people with real issues waiting for ever to be seen by specialists.

Unfortunately there is no silver bullet to solve the health care conundrum.
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Old 12-19-2012, 01:39 PM
 
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Restaurants in Charlotte are not the only ones looking for ways to make this work. My daughter is a part time employee at a large non profit in Charlotte. She works 30 hours per week and they told her that starting Jan, they were going to start taking $30 per pay period to cover the mandatory medical expenses unless she drops to 25 hours. This is money that is paying for college.
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Old 12-19-2012, 02:27 PM
 
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Look north of the border to see what it will happen...the system will get clogged with people filling the waiting rooms for the tiniest scratch or imaginative sickness while abusing the "free" system. The result will be people with real issues waiting for ever to be seen by specialists.

Unfortunately there is no silver bullet to solve the health care conundrum.
source?

Are you Canadian? Do you live in Canada? I've heard this countless times on right wing radio but I've never heard or read any reports or stats to back this claim up.
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Old 12-19-2012, 02:28 PM
 
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Look north of the border to see what it will happen...the system will get clogged with people filling the waiting rooms for the tiniest scratch or imaginative sickness while abusing the "free" system. The result will be people with real issues waiting for ever to be seen by specialists.

Unfortunately there is no silver bullet to solve the health care conundrum.
Just curious, have you ever been north of the border. Spent any time up there or know anyone who has? Or are you depending on stories you've read on the matter.
I ask not to be snarky and I apologize if it comes off that way. I've had this conversation with a few people down here and their beliefs don't hold water in reality.
I spent the better part of 10 years in Canada and had to take advantage of their health care system a few times, no problems, no issues whatsover. I have several friends in Canada, same.

To be fair, while I think that a universal health care system is the way to go, I can see it having some difficulties in this country that don't exist in others based mainly on the population. But still, the fact that people in this country have to worry about whether or not they can afford to be sick is a pretty big source of shame.
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Old 12-19-2012, 02:31 PM
 
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Just curious, have you ever been north of the border. Spent any time up there or know anyone who has? Or are you depending on stories you've read on the matter.
I ask not to be snarky and I apologize if it comes off that way. I've had this conversation with a few people down here and their beliefs don't hold water in reality.
I spent the better part of 10 years in Canada and had to take advantage of their health care system a few times, no problems, no issues whatsover. I have several friends in Canada, same.

To be fair, while I think that a universal health care system is the way to go, I can see it having some difficulties in this country that don't exist in others based mainly on the population. But still, the fact that people in this country have to worry about whether or not they can afford to be sick is a pretty big source of shame.
lol... I just asked the same thing. I've never been to Canada but I know Hannity and Rush love to say "look at Canada"

yet every time a Canadian speaks on it they say the exact opposite.
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Old 12-19-2012, 04:14 PM
 
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Because with rather few exceptions... employers don't offer any HI anymore.
And even when they do... it's full of gotcha's.

I guess including "gotchas" here makes it hard to say it's wrong but I don't know what you mean by few employers offer HI which is what I think I'm reading.

I think it's only 13 million people that don't have insurance. But I'm looking at an old website.
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Old 12-19-2012, 04:20 PM
 
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The head scratcher for me is why in the hell would anyone work fulltime with no health insurance? Would you? Of course the restaurant biz is a different animal and that the law will evolve to accomodate..
If needed to work and that was my only option, then yes I'd do it. As I mentioned above group insurance costs a lot of money/employee and something has to give if you are the one who owns the business.
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Old 12-19-2012, 04:29 PM
 
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source?

Are you Canadian? Do you live in Canada? I've heard this countless times on right wing radio but I've never heard or read any reports or stats to back this claim up.
Well it's already happening with certain "free" care. But that's not the model for the US anyway. But, if you're sick and it's not an emergency and you want to be seen in the Charlotte VA clinic, it's a 5 week wait.

And this is a bit old but I think is valuable: snopes.com: Canadian Health Care
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Old 12-19-2012, 04:30 PM
 
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I guess including "gotchas" here makes it hard to say it's wrong
but I don't know what you mean by few employers offer HI...
I wasn't as clear as I c/should have been.
I meant to say the number of employer PAID policies.

Employers have all sorts of plans on offer; certain types to certain classes of employee...
but few of them are what once was common or what most would could consider decent coverage.
Let alone the costs involved.

Then you can get to the gotchas.

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I think it's only 13 million people that don't have insurance. But I'm looking at an old website.
The U.S. Census Bureau reported (Sept 2012) that 48.6 million people were uninsured in 2011
-- down from 50 million the year before. source
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Old 12-19-2012, 05:32 PM
 
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Just curious, have you ever been north of the border. Spent any time up there or know anyone who has? Or are you depending on stories you've read on the matter.
I ask not to be snarky and I apologize if it comes off that way. I've had this conversation with a few people down here and their beliefs don't hold water in reality.
I spent the better part of 10 years in Canada and had to take advantage of their health care system a few times, no problems, no issues whatsover. I have several friends in Canada, same.

To be fair, while I think that a universal health care system is the way to go, I can see it having some difficulties in this country that don't exist in others based mainly on the population. But still, the fact that people in this country have to worry about whether or not they can afford to be sick is a pretty big source of shame.
I spent over 20 years in Canada (Ontario) and know the degrading Canadian health care system first hand. In recent years it got worst, where many cannot get a family doctor and a specialist will not see them unless they are sent by a family doctor. The result is emergency rooms are overcrowded, waiting a minimum 6 hrs to be seen (unless one comes in with a heart attack).
Our friends kid had to wait more then 12 hrs (couple of months back) with a broken arm in emergency before a doctor was even available to look at him. I know of people that had a heart attack while in the waiting room at the emergency.
Once the flu season starts, one better hope there is no need to go to a hospital.
I used to wait for 6 months schedule for my "annual checkup", and when seeing my family doctor waiting for a least an hour to be seen for 5 minutes is the norm. Oh, and if there is any abnormality from the results, the family doctor office will only tell that you need an appointment to see the doctor to discuss the results (no detailed are given over the phone). Try to live with 2 weeks of nightmares wondering what is wrong with you...
Many Canadians are fed up and prefer to cross the border and pay, since even an MRI appointment could take 6 months (if deemed as not urgent). Just google for it, I'm sure you'll find many articles in the Canadian newspapers on their healthcare system let downs.
Not to mention that the Canadian "free health care" is paid by much higher taxes and overall higher retail prices.
Best Canadian doctors/nurses continue to move here for better salaries and better research money. I am worried to see a "non-profit" type of system here as well, since once one removes the incentives, the results will just as bad.
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