Coronavirus (expiration, where to, nearest)

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by Mike930

In San Diego the restaurants are only allowed 25% capacity. It’s not that I don’t like the rule (although I probably would have said 50%), it’s that they could’ve been doing this long ago. That goes for retail stores too. You keep the curbside service available for those who are uncomfortable going inside. There’s no difference between 250 people in a Costco and 250 people in a Nordstrom or any other department store. You have Target and Wal-mart open, but clothing stores had to close. That made zero sense. People are standing in a restaurant waiting for take out, but they can’t sit down and eat. It’s ridiculous.

I think the masks and social distancing is a joke. Not because I don’t like it, but because I see that’s it not being followed. Nice social distancing in line going into a store. Same with check out. Inside, forget it. No social distancing and you really can’t. The isles aren’t large enough and people ignore the one way isles in the few stores that have them.

You mentioned smokers pulling down their masks. I can’t tell you how many people I’ve seen that pull their masks down once inside a store or walk around with their noses exposed. I went to a bank yesterday for the first time since this started. They had the door locked. I had to go up to the door, wait for them to come unlock the door, step in and they locked the door behind me. Same procedure to exit. All that trouble and the teller had his mask pulled down so his nose was exposed. I didn’t complain because I don’t really care, plus they could all see him, he wasn’t hiding it.

Ok but you inferred that Newsom made this 25% rule which is not true. I wear a mask even though not everyone else does for the same reason that I don't drive 90 miles an hour on the freeway even though some people do - because I care about myself and other people.

[Mike930]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Ok but you inferred that Newsom made this 25% rule which is not true. I wear a mask even though not everyone else does for the same reason that I don't drive 90 miles an hour on the freeway even though some people do - because I care about myself and other people.

I went back and read my post and you are correct. It was the county that imposed the 25% capacity, not Newsom. Newsom said the restaurants had to reduce tables by 50%.

The intent of my “his majesty” crack was that he still had the give the ok to reopen. The county had to submit a plan to him for approval. Additionally, his timetables have been all over the place. He comes out with one timeframe, then all of a sudden those businesses that couldn’t open for a weeks were given the ok to reopen. I listened to a couple of briefings and read about more and there was no scientific reason given. It was just bam, you can reopen. It seemed to coincide with counties rebelling and lawsuits filed. It appeared that he was loosening restrictions so it would appear that he was still in control, but that’s just my opinion.

I also wear a mask when I’m out and around people. I’m just not sure what good it does when no one is social distancing and about 25% of the people aren’t wearing the mask properly.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by Mike930

I went back and read my post and you are correct. It was the county that imposed the 25% capacity, not Newsom. Newsom said the restaurants had to reduce tables by 50%.

The intent of my “his majesty” crack was that he still had the give the ok to reopen. The county had to submit a plan to him for approval. Additionally, his timetables have been all over the place. He comes out with one timeframe, then all of a sudden those businesses that couldn’t open for a weeks were given the ok to reopen. I listened to a couple of briefings and read about more and there was no scientific reason given. It was just bam, you can reopen. It seemed to coincide with counties rebelling and lawsuits filed. It appeared that he was loosening restrictions so it would appear that he was still in control, but that’s just my opinion.

I also wear a mask when I’m out and around people. I’m just not sure what good it does when no one is social distancing and about 25% of the people aren’t wearing the mask properly.

yes, he has changed his mind several times. Honestly I don't pay much attention to it because I don't have any skin in the game, I'm sure it bothers store and restaurant owners, so you won't get an argument from me there. To be honest, I can't see why California is even lifting all these restrictions, the number of new cases and deaths don't seem to warrant it, at least not statewide. But it appears that folks are going to take things into their own hands so maybe he figures there's no point in fighting them. As a result of the letter from Bill Barr's office advising the state that closing churches is unconstitutional 1,200 of them made a pact to re-open https://abc7.com/california-churches...ation/6201309/ And I already mentioned the Indian Casinos, they pretty much flipped him off and said they could and would open when they wanted to. I most definitely would not want to be Gavin Newsom right now, this is getting fugly.

[Mike930]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

yes, he has changed his mind several times. Honestly I don't pay much attention to it because I don't have any skin in the game, I'm sure it bothers store and restaurant owners, so you won't get an argument from me there. To be honest, I can't see why California is even lifting all these restrictions, the number of new cases and deaths don't seem to warrant it, at least not statewide. But it appears that folks are going to take things into their own hands so maybe he figures there's no point in fighting them. As a result of the letter from Bill Barr's office advising the state that closing churches is unconstitutional 1,200 of them made a pact to re-open https://abc7.com/california-churches...ation/6201309/ And I already mentioned the Indian Casinos, they pretty much flipped him off and said they could and would open when they wanted to. I most definitely would not want to be Gavin Newsom right now, this is getting fugly.

It seems like no one is happy in any state. I thought Texas opened up pretty fast and they had protests.

We had casinos here reopen in San Diego on their own accord. One report said one of them hit capacity at 11 am. I’m not a gambler, so I have no interest.

Thanks for the interesting link. Given Barr’s letter, I doubt those churches will be challenged. You’re right, I don’t envy Newsom at all. In his defense, this is unlike anything we’ve seen and everyone is “winging it” to some extent.

[joosoon]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Among other things, the responses from so many quarters are very encouraging with lenders, businesses, landlords, politicians/government, charities, et al offering so many kinds of helpful considerations. Can’t think of an historic parallel to the cohesive efforts.

That much I totally agree. For now...
I hope all that good will continues to flow. We'll see. Who wants to be the lender who forecloses on someone's house or whatever in the post covid19 world? If everything returned to normal tomorrow, with everyone back in their pre-end-of-the-world jobs and life intact, we could just wipe March-June off the books and do them all a favor. Of course, that's unlikely to happen on both fronts. Things will come back, but it will be a process. A slow one. And people will hurt in the meantime. It's not my style to tell anyone in those situations to buck up and be tough about it. I'm trying to empathize as much as possible here.

[joosoon]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

I don't think there is a limit of 25% restaurant occupancy, the percent of customers who can be seated at one time will depend on the configuration of the restaurant. Here are the guidelines https://covid19.ca.gov/pdf/checklist...estaurants.pdf.

Who's going to enforce this?
That's what all this boils down to eventually. It's just like the total lack of social distancing in the aisles of stores. If it's up to owners and employees (which it is by default), it's essentially voluntary. Once people catch on, it's not going to last. That's my prediction anyway.

[joosoon]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

And I already mentioned the Indian Casinos, they pretty much flipped him off and said they could and would open when they wanted to. I most definitely would not want to be Gavin Newsom right now, this is getting fugly.

Do the gaming compacts have expiration dates? I'm not sure and too lazy to check. If they do, I imagine they or any new ones will have some sort of language about deference to state "emergency" powers act.

[Mike930]

Originally Posted by joosoon

Do the gaming compacts have expiration dates? I'm not sure and too lazy to check. If they do, I imagine they or any new ones will have some sort of language about deference to state "emergency" powers act.

There’s no way they’ll agree to that. The casinos near us said they submitted a plan to the county and didn’t hear anything back. Then the county public health official held a news conference saying they were going to work with the CDC to keep the casinos closed. At that point the casino head decided to reopen.

Maybe it could have been avoided if the county had actually worked with the casinos (if what the casinos said was true).

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by joosoon

Who's going to enforce this?
That's what all this boils down to eventually. It's just like the total lack of social distancing in the aisles of stores. If it's up to owners and employees (which it is by default), it's essentially voluntary. Once people catch on, it's not going to last. That's my prediction anyway.

You're probably right. The health department will be intimidated and the Board of Supervisors won't approve making violations a chargeable offense, so nothing will happen. There's a dive bar near my house that never closed, they just use the back door and tell their clientele where to park in the parking lot to make it look less suspect. They've been reported by a few people -mostly out of concern that they may be spreading Covid because the clientele for the most part look like walking petri dishes, I'm sure you know the type -hacking up lungers and discharging them in the parking lot and smoking at the entrance of the bar and throwing cigarette butts on the ground.

I guess some people think that allowing that is good for the economy, I think the opposite - it makes myself and a number of my friends and relatives less likely to even leave the house.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by Mike930

There’s no way they’ll agree to that. The casinos near us said they submitted a plan to the county and didn’t hear anything back. Then the county public health official held a news conference saying they were going to work with the CDC to keep the casinos closed. At that point the casino head decided to reopen.

Maybe it could have been avoided if the county had actually worked with the casinos (if what the casinos said was true).

The three Indian Casinos nearest our home will all be open within a week. The first one just opened and the other two will follow soon. Newsom begged them to wait but they basically told him to kiss off. I'm not an engineer and don't know much about ventilation systems but my concern is that if the casinos have a recirculating air system a few people with Covid could spread it to hundreds in a very short time.