Coronavirus (Los Angeles, Oakland: credit, public schools, guidelines)

[goodheathen]

Does it ever end? Except maybe for hideous, quick-death viruses like Ebola, the weaker people are targeted. Some viruses pick on kids, some are better at hurting adults. Ultimately, most viruses do most of their harm after the acute phase, which almost no one seems to understand and which has less connection to initial level of health. Arguing about how many people have died from COVID-19 and (callously) whether it was worth trying to safeguard people loses sight of the lives that go on and have been damaged or will be damaged while society gets lax about this. This new normal is no more okay than a new normal of unclean drinking water.

[njbiodude]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

Does it ever end? Except maybe for hideous, quick-death viruses like Ebola, the weaker people are targeted. Some viruses pick on kids, some are better at hurting adults. Ultimately, most viruses do most of their harm after the acute phase, which almost no one seems to understand and which has less connection to initial level of health. Arguing about how many people have died from COVID-19 and (callously) whether it was worth trying to safeguard people loses sight of the lives that go on and have been damaged or will be damaged while society gets lax about this. This new normal is no more okay than a new normal of unclean drinking water.

If the drinking water was no longer treated though after 2 years you'd build at least partial immunity to most of the bacteria in it. Just like the population will build partial immunity to most viral illnesses in a few years (and already have). Your new normal would in fact be normal again.

[suzy_q2010]

Originally Posted by njbiodude

If the drinking water was no longer treated though after 2 years you'd build at least partial immunity to most of the bacteria in it. Just like the population will build partial immunity to most viral illnesses in a few years (and already have). Your new normal would in fact be normal again.

At what cost in illnesses and deaths?

[1AngryTaxPayer]

Originally Posted by suzy_q2010

There will always be some who will abuse anything "free".

It apparently was a lot more than "some". The original hard stat of 500,000 was ridiculous. Embarrassing. There was no effort to look at where the data came from. If you think about how we threw money at every coroner in the US that was how many thousands of small towns that the coroner had multiple jobs not just tagging people for cause of death. They got extra money for these families by penciling in "Covid".

Then with actual testing, the numbers dropped off a cliff.

[suzy_q2010]

Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer

It apparently was a lot more than "some". The original hard stat of 500,000 was ridiculous. Embarrassing. There was no effort to look at where the data came from. If you think about how we threw money at every coroner in the US that was how many thousands of small towns that the coroner had multiple jobs not just tagging people for cause of death. They got extra money for these families by penciling in "Covid".

Then with actual testing, the numbers dropped off a cliff.

Most death certificates are not issued by coroners. Covid death certificates are signed by the doctors who took care of the patients when they died. It would be illegal for a "coroner" to "pencil in 'Covid'" for someone who did not have it. That is fraud.

[goodheathen]

Originally Posted by suzy_q2010

At what cost in illnesses and deaths?

Social functioning is the bigger question. A population that's quite unhealthy and living in either (rational) fear or denial, with poor services the norm.... I basically said we're turning into Mexico and got a quick "That's fine." People have become selfish and short-sighted and think they personally won't suffer from the change (sometimes because dying soon enough or wealthy enough to insulate from it) and therefore ignore things. That includes probably most arrivals from actual Mexico and other bad countries who are used to a very dysfunctional society. The change goes way beyond the virus and was underway years ago. Empires rise and fall, but the decline is never a good thing and people need to wake up about it.

[njbiodude]

Originally Posted by goodheathen

Social functioning is the bigger question. A population that's quite unhealthy and living in either (rational) fear or denial, with poor services the norm.... I basically said we're turning into Mexico and got a quick "That's fine." People have become selfish and short-sighted and think they personally won't suffer from the change (sometimes because dying soon enough or wealthy enough to insulate from it) and therefore ignore things. That includes probably most arrivals from actual Mexico and other bad countries who are used to a very dysfunctional society. The change goes way beyond the virus and was underway years ago. Empires rise and fall, but the decline is never a good thing and people need to wake up about it.

I'm likely going to get a second home in Mexico for an early retirement. It's not a dysfunctional country for the most part imo despite what you read on the news. I've been to at least 8 Mexican states and spent months of my life down there.

[1AngryTaxPayer]

Originally Posted by suzy_q2010

Most death certificates are not issued by coroners. Covid death certificates are signed by the doctors who took care of the patients when they died. It would be illegal for a "coroner" to "pencil in 'Covid'" for someone who did not have it. That is fraud.

In small towns they are all neighbors. Guess how that works.

[suzy_q2010]

Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer

In small towns they are all neighbors. Guess how that works.

They are still crooks.

[1AngryTaxPayer]

Originally Posted by suzy_q2010

They are still crooks.

That was my entire point to begin with. AND why the data is trash.