Californians are fleeing the state in droves.....273,833 people lost since 2010 (Stockton: condos, crime rate)

[bigdumbgod]

Originally Posted by oldtrader

You are the one that is wrong. The in migration out migration between states, has been in more people moving from the state than into it. The thing that has held up the population has been in migration from other countries. The census bureau says 54% of those are from Mexico and South America. Mostly poor, and many are illegal immigrants.

The other thing that has kept up the population is the birth rate exceeds the death rate, and over 50% newborns are Hispanic, which is the largest demographic group in California. The next biggest foreign in migration group is Asians, which have a higher birth rate than whites.

The results, is that as middle class well paid workers leave the state that also pay taxes, they are replaced by poor immigrants that do not pay taxes, and use more social services.

The out migration by middle class, is following the jobs that are leaving California, and the jobs being opened by California companies such as Apple, that are putting their major new facilities in other states. Example is the new Apple computer manufacturing plant moving to the U.S. costing a billion or more dollars and is being built in Texas not California.

Your racist BS is really getting old.

[Electrician4you]

Migrating in and out of a state is something that is normal. Every state has migration. People like to bash california because they hate either living here ( in which case they should move) or they have never been here but they heard how bad california is therefore they hate it.
I wouldn't consider 273k people exactly leaving in droves

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I'm more concerned that Riverside is the most popular county. Maybe there is a problem...

[oldtrader]

Your racist BS is really getting old.

There is nothing racist about what I posted above. I am looking at it strictly from an economic point of view. I am looking at the fact, that the middle class is getting fed up with California and the living potential due to the high cost of living, and the good jobs taken away from the state. I am looking at the fact the middle class is being replaced by the very poor. I am looking at the fact, that the tax base is being eroded, which will damage the state in the long run. I am not racist, and pointed out that the middle class is leaving the state. If you check, you will find that middle class that is dropping in numbers is White, Black, Native American, and multiple generation in the U.S. Asians.

I was born raised, had a family in California as a 3rd generation in the state. I have lots of friends, that were Hispanic, Black, Asian, and Native American as I grew up. Examples of my own family. My wife has Native American ancestry, and I have a black nephew, a great granddaughter that is half Sioux Indian, etc. I will never forget, that on December 7 1941 I was at my best friend's home. His extended family and I were there for breakfast. Someone turned on the radio, and we heard of the attack on Pearl Harbor. I never saw 30 plus people get very angry, at Japan and the Japanese. Four of the young men went down on Monday and tried to join the army. They were rejected, as they were full blooded 4th generation Japanese Americans. I stood in front of my house, and had to watch the U.S. Government come and take his family away to put in a concentration camp. That family was even more angry at what happened in Hawaii, than my family, because they felt they were betrayed by their own race. Now they were betrayed by the government. It is a lesson racism that I will never forget, that I learned as a 10 year old.

California in just a few years, has gone from 88% white population to about 36% today, and they are no longer the majority race in California. The Black Population is a few percentage points less. California now has the highest poverty rate in the U.S. and growing.

As the educated and middle class leave the state, California poor has increased. Now California uses 1/3rd of all poverty funds put up by the U.S. Government, with a poverty rate of over 28%. This is what I was attempting to point out. The people with good income potential are leaving the state, and it is attracting the poor to replace them.

This is what is hurting California. At some point, this exodus is going to explode. I was in Detroit back in 1961 working as Division Sales Manager for an International Corporation over Michigan and Ohio. I watched the change starting to take place. Detroit kept going down hill and losing population year after year starting back then. It has lost half the population by numbers, and has serious problems that even bankruptcy will not solve. Middle class pulling out and after the tipping point was reached, the exodus became a huge wave as people and companies pulled out of the city, and it became a city of poor people. This is what is happening in California right now. The people with good incomes, and corporations both paying taxes, are being replaced with poor people and the state is headed for big problems.

And race has nothing to do with it. The problems is a declining educated population, being replaced with poor and a much less uneducated population. Due to the people starting to leave the state, high taxes, and excess regulations, companies are also moving their jobs out of California. California has the worst business confidence than any other state. A little about companies leaving California and how for years, they have given up faith in California and are pulling out. No wonder California has such a high unemployment rate.

Allysia Finley: The Reverse-Joads of California - WSJ.com

Is California's Fiscal Crisis Dooming Silicon Valley? - Forbes

High-tech manufacturing leaving California - Jan Norman on Small Business : The Orange County Register

Two dozen companies commit to leaving California | News - KCRA Home

Companies Bid Farewell to California | Interviews | Varney & Company | Fox Business

Employees Now Asking Companies to Leave California :: Fox&Hounds

Companies Are Leaving California in Record Numbers, and It Might Get Worse | AEIdeas

The Business Relocation Coach

10 reasons companies are leaving California.

http://www.csub.edu/kej/documents/ha...1_business.pdf

2011 total: 254 companies leave California | moved, companie - Business - The Orange County Register

Allysia Finley: The Reverse-Joads of California - WSJ.com

[Ghostly1]

Originally Posted by oldtrader

There is nothing racist about what I posted above.

And race has nothing to do with it. The problems is a declining educated population, being replaced with poor and a much less uneducated population. Due to the people starting to leave the state, high taxes, and excess regulations, companies are also moving their jobs out of California. California has the worst business confidence than any other state. A little about companies leaving California and how for years, they have given up faith in California and are pulling out. No wonder California has such a high unemployment rate.

I agree with you. Nothing racist whatsoever. Simple, uncomfortable truth.

But race has everything to do with everything else when it's your only argument whether through ideology, indoctrination, denial or simple ignorance. The end result is almost always the same. You try to win the hand by dealing the race card. It's all you have!

[DCMann2]

The sky is falling, the sky is falling!

California will be fine.

[Packard fan]

Originally Posted by bigdumbgod

Your racist BS is really getting old.

oldtrader ain't being "racist". Hispanic ain't a race tho most here in the US are Spanish speaking Indians, especially the ones here illegally.

[Howest2008]

California population grows by 332,000 to 38.2 million - latimes.com

[Wilson502]

Originally Posted by Howest2008

California population grows by 332,000 to 38.2 million - latimes.com

This has already been discussed and essentially the surplus is due to accounting tricks and gimmicks by the state. Highly doubt it will be sustained long term, especially with that boondoggle rail project. Most of the population growth is from immigration/births, not the result of people moving in from other states.

[oldtrader]

California population grows by 332,000 to 38.2 million - latimes.com

Yes the population grew. As I pointed out the net migration between states, would have lowered the count of people.

Population grew, due to foreign immigration and a slight birth over death increase in population. Again it grew, because a lot of people mostly from south of the border, and Asian countries entered in large numbers. In fact Asians are now exceeding Hispanic immigration. A large portion is illegal, and it is going to California more than other states.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/19/us...wave.html?_r=0

Asian Immigration and the Myth of the

Yes California is growing in population, because a lot of poor Asians and Hispanic a lot of who are illegals are entering the state.

This change from middle income workers leaving the state, being replaced by even larger numbers of Asian and Hispanic poor is the norm today for California. That is the reason, that California has jumped in poverty rate putting it far above other states to the point that California uses more than a third of all U.S. anti poverty funds. Due to the shift in population from middle class tax payers, to the poor the use of anti poverty funds will increase as the taxes from other parts of the country pay for this population shift.