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Old 04-06-2013, 04:09 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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Good question but a different conversation
Why argue about which class of people should be treated differently than another if the root issue is discrimination shouldn't exist in modern America? I don't want to get married. Don't see the point. Never have. Raised a couple of kids in a non-married relationship and as a single parent. No special rights. No tax breaks. Nothing. Why? Now gays want special recognition as couples. They'll get it. And I still get bupkis.
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Old 04-06-2013, 06:29 PM
 
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This was voted on and decided by the people of California. No court has the right to overturn such a thing. If it were unconstitutional, it would never have been allowed to be put to a vote in the first place. It never fails......when the liberal faction doesn't get its way - take it to a judge who'll legislate from the bench!
Right. Because laws passed by referenda are exempt from judicial review?

I guess I skipped over that part of Marbury v. Madison...

And on with the predictable sniveling about "legislating from the bench" (translation: "Waaah! I don't like that ruling! Waaah!")
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Old 04-06-2013, 07:34 PM
 
Location: The State Of California
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I remain curious why you, and anybody else here, thinks marriage is an institution worthy of special status and protection. Why are married people, hetero or homo-sexual, more valuable than single people?
We have opened a can of worms now men who want to have 5 or 6 spouses will demand theirs CIVIL Rights and women who want to have 5 or 6 husbands will demand equal rights under The Law. I think that a single parent Male or Female should have the exact same breaks as a Married person (I'm on your side in that matter) .Hang on to your seats this is going to be a Rocky Ride from now on......
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Old 04-06-2013, 07:41 PM
 
Location: The State Of California
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asking me to explain something I already have proves that you have no answer. My answer to your question is in the quote from my previous post. I understand if it's difficult for you to get your head around and will break down on a more elementary level if necessary but don't ask me to explain again, the post is still there.
I'm not mad attchaa , but boyfriends and girlfriends were never anywhere near the status of Domestic Partnerships or Civil Union ( which is a Relationship Where The Parties Are Under Contract ) you just had a moment of confused thinking for just A Moment that's All.
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Old 04-07-2013, 10:26 AM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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Why argue about which class of people should be treated differently than another if the root issue is discrimination shouldn't exist in modern America? I don't want to get married. Don't see the point. Never have. Raised a couple of kids in a non-married relationship and as a single parent. No special rights. No tax breaks. Nothing. Why? Now gays want special recognition as couples. They'll get it. And I still get bupkis.
you make some good point. Nonetheless this isn't a single persons issue at the moment.
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Old 04-07-2013, 10:28 AM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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I'm not mad attchaa , but boyfriends and girlfriends were never anywhere near the status of Domestic Partnerships or Civil Union ( which is a Relationship Where The Parties Are Under Contract ) you just had a moment of confused thinking for just A Moment that's All.
Like I care if you were mad lol. Read more of my posts and you'll see how much I care. You still are avoiding the answer to the question. Saying all these other things isn't going to distract me from that fact.
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Old 04-07-2013, 10:46 AM
 
Location: On the water.
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you make some good point. Nonetheless this isn't a single persons issue at the moment.
I am both pulling everybody's chain - and serious at the same time. The whole issue of gay marriage is silly. If there is going to be some sort of value placed on couples tying themselves up together legally by mutual, informed consent in a country that lives separation of church and state. No brainer.

What's insane is any kind of marriage. And why would a secular government support insanity with special dispensations? Based on religious traditions? Nuts I tell ya. Couples tying each other up should be limited to the privacy of their own home (and never in front of the children).
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Old 04-07-2013, 12:47 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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I am both pulling everybody's chain - and serious at the same time. The whole issue of gay marriage is silly. If there is going to be some sort of value placed on couples tying themselves up together legally by mutual, informed consent in a country that lives separation of church and state. No brainer.

What's insane is any kind of marriage. And why would a secular government support insanity with special dispensations? Based on religious traditions? Nuts I tell ya. Couples tying each other up should be limited to the privacy of their own home (and never in front of the children).
I gathered that you were also pulling our chains which is why my answers were short. C-D is full of those who use certain techniques to control a conversation. Due to previous training at certain jobs I can see through about 90% of them. Again you are making valid points but it's for a different discussion.
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Old 04-07-2013, 12:50 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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I gathered that you were also pulling our chains which is why my answers were short. C-D is full of those who use certain techniques to control a conversation. Due to previous training at certain jobs I can see through about 90% of them. Again you are making valid points but it's for a different discussion.
You call it controlling a conversation. I call it pointing out fraud and folly.
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Old 04-07-2013, 08:14 PM
 
Location: The State Of California
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Gentoo;[Simple mind noted. It might as well be. Tell me, what do you have against same sex marriage that doesn't require a religious crutch to explain?
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howest2008 I have one thing against so called Homosexual Marriage it changes the definition of Marriage when there is no need or reason to do so , Domestic Partnership and Civil Unions ( provides the exact same benefits ) as Homosexual Marriage in all states that allow Homosexual Marriages. Militant Gays feel the need for Homosexual Marriage because they perceive in theirs heads that the TERM MARRIAGE has a higher society standing than DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIPS and on the eastern seaboard CIVIL UNIONS ( OK wise guy you asked for it and you got your answer ) did you???

If I can be of any other use to you please let me know........howest2008
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