Prop 19 Back on the Ballot in 2012 (Arnold: to live in, costs, law)

[californio sur]

I don't know for a fact but I heard that Prop 19 failed in the "Emerald Triangle" [the north coast counties] where the most and best marijuana is grown. If the growers and the economy of those counties is dependent on keeping marijuana illegal then maybe the new proposition will need to address the economic impact of totally legalizing marijuana.

[Lovehound]

It will be on the ballot again, probably in 2012, rewritten to address criticism its wording. If that fails then it will be back again after that.

[CarawayDJ]

Originally Posted by californio sur

I don't know for a fact but I heard that Prop 19 failed in the "Emerald Triangle" [the north coast counties] where the most and best marijuana is grown. If the growers and the economy of those counties is dependent on keeping marijuana illegal then maybe the new proposition will need to address the economic impact of totally legalizing marijuana.

The mom and pop growers were indeed against the proposition. For all of the talk they probably dish out about the merits of pot, it all came down to money for them.

How would you address the economic impact to them? Why should they be treated special? Do we subsidize all of the mom and pop grocers who were put out of business by the large grocery chains? Do we subsidize all of the mom and pop hardware stores that have long disappeared due to Home Depot and Lowes?

If you have to sweeten the proposition to essentially "buy votes", aren't you advocating something you would otherwise criticize?

Both parties buy votes by making deals and there certainly are subsidies in America. Just wondering what you would consider a fair and equitable solution.

[Fleet]

Originally Posted by Lovehound

It will be on the ballot again, probably in 2012, rewritten to address criticism its wording. If that fails then it will be back again after that.

It will still be against federal law, as it should be.

[Lovehound]

Yes, it will still be against federal law, and the passage of the proposition will start a national debate about whether enforcing pot bans are worth the expense to the taxpayers. California passing a proposition/measure/initiative won't make pot legal the next day but it is the next necessary step. Actually I think the federal government would fold just like they did for the "medical" marijuana situation. I think it will be legal some day although that may be quite some time.

[chitown85]

If California passes the Proposition in 2012, it will make marijuana possession up to an ounce (plus the grow) legal. Now if the federal court system strikes it down, there will be no reversion back to the old CA law.

The reason is that California upon passage of the Proposition will remove marijuana possession from the Penal Code as a petty offense (as it is classified since Arnold signed that into law 2 months ago). The federal court upon striking down the Proposition does not have the power to then make marijuana illegal again under California state law. That is up to the California legislature.

A better worded proposition is: To remove marijuana as a petty offense from the California Penal Code in is entirety, as opposed to saying "Legalize marijuana."

Federal courts do not have the power to create criminal laws for states.

[notmeofficer]

MJ has and will continue to be detrimental for the physical mental and social welfare for all of us as a society. From the criminal aspect who grows it on state lands to the backyard growers who got Dr feelgood to prescribe it... they all create an environment less safe and less desirable to live in... from growers with guns to stoners with no drive.... to the increased health care costs and risks from lung issues... (please..get real.. smoke inside you is not healthy no matter what drug is carried in that smoke)

I have no problem synthesizing into a potent form of thc and putting it in a pill... regulated of course.. then I dont have to smell you...deal with the backyard ripoffs or odors and nasty cartels... I just get to deal with the aftermath of a stoner... now DUI with it...

I too am glad I arrested people for it... as with all mind altering substances... I dont want it around or see its negative effects everywhere

The Jihad wont have to kill us .. we're doing a great job all on our own

Impeach me... hell no.. Ill testify as to how I feel.

[Phil306]

You dope smokers lost. What is the problem/issue? Isn't that what you liberal's want? The majority of the people? Isn't that what you complain about? The PEOPLE of the State of California have spoken:

They DO NOT want marijuana legalized.

Just because you smoke dope and enjoy it, doesn't mean everyone else does. Its over. You lost. Of course, you are drug addicts and will fight, whine, and moan. You lost; get over it.

[JS1]

The majority of California voters are idiots, turning down tax revenue from a large cash crop.

I and millions of other people WILL smoke marijuana whether you like it or not!

[Phil306]

Originally Posted by JS1

The majority of California voters are idiots, turning down tax revenue from a large cash crop.

I and millions of other people WILL smoke marijuana whether you like it or not!

A false statement. Each and every individual city would have to make laws, in order to get the taxes. It would not, nor would it, occur. That is ONE of the many problems with Prop 19.

However, for you dope smoking, tree hugging, thumb sucking hippies, I am sure, next year, the proposition will be more specific.