Prop 19 Back on the Ballot in 2012 (Arnold: Home Depot, buy, taxes)

[GregHenry]

Originally Posted by Brenda-by-the-sea

The power of the government to create national departments, federal courts, and federal agencies (like the DEA) to administer national policies that cannot be flouted or undone by state or local jurisdictions derives from the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution (Art. IV, Sec. 1, Clause 2).

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."

Sorry, that's shoddy Constitutional analysis and an inapposite citation.

[GregHenry]

Originally Posted by CarawayDJ

I am somewhat empathetic to the Libertarian cause, as long as it doesn't cross over into total anarchy as some advocate.

For you, "total anarchy" is letting a parking meter expire for five minutes. You see any repeal of the current level of governance as calling the mobs into the streets.

It's sloppy scholarship to equate anarchy and chaos.

[Fleet]

Originally Posted by loneranger456

right on! fox news: unfair and biased

2008 Presidential election coverage;

Fox News

Percent of negative stories about Obama: 40%
Percent of negative stories about McCain: 40%

Yeah, real "unfair and biased!"

[Oerdin]

Originally Posted by GregHenry

Just heard it on CNN.

Old people were strongly against it. Time is on our side. This Tea Party rage won't be here in two years after two years of Republicans mismanaging Congress.

Great news if true.

[Lovehound]

Originally Posted by Think About It!

For those of you saying the government shouldn't be allowed to tell us what we can and can't do I have a few questions. Should I be allowed to rape or murder someone because it's my right to act the way I want? Should I be able to burglarize your residence while you are at work because it's my right to have what you paid for? At what point should the government step in to regulate the way a society acts?

Originally Posted by Parti Rhinocéros

You just might have gone out... of... your... mind.

Exactly. Would you kill a cockroach? Then you'd probably kill a human, maybe even a million of humans. Once you start killing and raping it's hard to know when to quit.

Originally Posted by Ceece

We may as well get used to seeing it on the ballot (and not just in CA either, but other states as well) because familiarity is what it's going to take. Like everything else, people will get "used" to it an eventually won't care about it...then it will pass. We've seen stuff like that time and time again.

This measure/proposition/initiative will be back time and again until it passes. At least half or a small majority of people want it. They aren't going to just change their minds and go home.

Anybody who opposes, you should just be deciding what terms to offer when it's legalized.

[LongIslandEddie]

Originally Posted by Phil306

I'm glad it lost and it will lose again. In fact, I haven't enforced the simple possession of marijuana on a person in probably 15 years. I think I shall now.

Yo, Phil-

This has got to be one of the most absurd comments that I have viewed over the whole prop. 19 issue. You aught to be ashamed of yourself!
Although I seriously doubt that you are a lawman or peace officer of any kind, I do believe that your statement reflects poorly upon either of these
agencies, pointing up my suspicion that law enforcement agencies, truly are arbitrary and capricious. If asked to discern the primary motivation for
your apparent glee over the defeat, I would surely speculate that if you were an agent of law enforcement, your position would be based upon little
else beside a personal and selfish concern, formed around the hope to retain your own job and to continue drawing taxpayer funding in the form of
salary, as you selectively exert whatever public power that you might possibly hold. I would further speculate that, by showing such an avaricious
attitude toward selective enforcement, that you are basically a coward, afraid to face or fight against real crime as you continue to work toward a
comfortable retirement, complete with benefits that far surpass, filling your face at the doughnut counter. Basically, Phil, your ignorance is showing.

[loneranger456]

Originally Posted by LongIslandEddie

Yo, Phil-

This has got to be one of the most absurd comments that I have viewed over the whole prop. 19 issue. You aught to be ashamed of yourself!
Although I seriously doubt that you are a lawman or peace officer of any kind, I do believe that your statement reflects poorly upon either of these
agencies, pointing up my suspicion that law enforcement agencies, truly are arbitrary and capricious. If asked to discern the primary motivation for
your apparent glee over the defeat, I would surely speculate that if you were an agent of law enforcement, your position would be based upon little
else beside a personal and selfish concern, formed around the hope to retain your own job and to continue drawing taxpayer funding in the form of
salary, as you selectively exert whatever public power that you might possibly hold. I would further speculate that, by showing such an avaricious
attitude toward selective enforcement, that you are basically a coward, afraid to face or fight against real crime as you continue to work toward a
comfortable retirement, complete with benefits that far surpass, filling your face at the doughnut counter. Basically, Phil, your ignorance is showing.

owned!

[loneranger456]

Originally Posted by Fleet

2008 Presidential election coverage;

Fox News

Percent of negative stories about Obama: 40%
Percent of negative stories about McCain: 40%

Yeah, real "unfair and biased!"

hannity and oreilly are biased

[Think About It!]

Originally Posted by Parti Rhinocéros

You just might have gone out... of... your... mind.

I would say no, I am pretty sane. I think my view on life is a lot clearer than most of the people on this board.

I may have used some of the most extreme crimes for our country but it was to make a point. It seems most people on this board live in a different reality from the real reality.

[Mr. Fantastic]

It will never ever pass because California is more conservative than liberal, and has been that way for a very long time. Just look at Prop 8. I can't believe how wrong some of you were.