Do you think California will be split in two? (Los Angeles: unemployment, movies)

[majoun]

Originally Posted by Curmudgeon

If you take into consideration the likes of Boxer, Pelosi, Brown, Newson, Harris, Dellums, etc. and you still have to ask then you'll likely never understand and you'll likely always vote the party rather than really considering the issues; either that or you're simply delusional!

Southern California has more than its share of incompetent or just plain messed up politicians as well.

Take into consideration Arnold, Gray Davis, Pete Wilson, and quite a few members of Congress, state legislators, and mayors.

[Lovehound]

Originally Posted by 415 Native

Right, it's all the democrats fault, the Bay Area controls all of California and the governor is not a Republican right?

Our governator and his barely more than one-third of the legislature are the only thing that has kept Californa from sinking into the Kalifornia Kommunist People's Republik.

Gov. Arnold has protected us from higher taxes and government bloat. He's going out of office and California is going down.

[Lovehound]

Originally Posted by majoun

You're half right.

Southern California needs Northern California's water and money.

The north supports the south. Northern and Southern California were economically equal until the early '90s but the south, I'm very sorry to say, has become a basket case.

However, the difficulties regarding water suggest this would be hard to do, not to mention that drawing a line between Northern and Southern California would be very difficult. As for political divisions, Western and Eastern California makes more sense.

All California has become a basket case (which is why this California native is moving out of state, getting out before the big collapse... I hope).

If you Northern Californians are so confident, let's have a trial separation. Let's draw a line (we Angelinos own the water rights of the Owens Valley--Mammoth--Mono Lake watershed, etc. so hands off that) but let's separate with a water agreement, then you can have your Kommunist Republik and we can quit sending you our tax revenue.

[majoun]

Originally Posted by Lovehound

All California has become a basket case (which is why this California native is moving out of state, getting out before the big collapse... I hope).

If you Northern Californians are so confident, let's have a trial separation. Let's draw a line (we Angelinos own the water rights of the Owens Valley--Mammoth--Mono Lake watershed, etc. so hands off that)

If there's a separation, the water rights go. (And funny for a native Angeleno you can't even spell it....

but let's separate with a water agreement, then you can have your Kommunist Republik and we can quit sending you our tax revenue.

You realize I'm in both camps being a native Southern Californian (Angeleno, in fact) living in the Bay Area.

Have you ever lived in NorCal? I'm guessing not.

Bay Area tax revenue goes to support SoCal, including your own San Fernando Valley a large part of which is a giant ghetto (although not all). The highest unemployment rates are in the south, not the north. I wish it wasn't like this but SoCal bears much of the blame for its own fate.

BTW SoCal as a seperate state would be ruled by the same type of progressive busy-bodies that the north produces. That's not a Bay Area vs. L.A. thing, it's a far north vs. everywhere else thing.

And the left/right divide is coastal/inland not northern/southern.

[415 Native]

Originally Posted by Lovehound

Our governator and his barely more than one-third of the legislature are the only thing that has kept Californa from sinking into the Kalifornia Kommunist People's Republik.

Gov. Arnold has protected us from higher taxes and government bloat. He's going out of office and California is going down.

So when it's convenient he's a Republican, but when he does something you all don't like all of a sudden "He's not really a republican just a Lib masquerading as one? Will you all make up your minds?

[BluSpark]

Originally Posted by Lovehound

All California has become a basket case (which is why this California native is moving out of state, getting out before the big collapse... I hope).

If you Northern Californians are so confident, let's have a trial separation. Let's draw a line (we Angelinos own the water rights of the Owens Valley--Mammoth--Mono Lake watershed, etc. so hands off that) but let's separate with a water agreement, then you can have your Kommunist Republik and we can quit sending you our tax revenue.

As Majoun already stated, the Bay Area is more economically productive than So.Calif.

Those "commies" up north do one heck of a job in outproducing any other metro area in the United States. Some of the most inventive and creative "capitalists" in the world live up there.

http://www.demographia.com/db-gdp-metro.pdf

The study linked above is from 2007 but it makes the point that in GDP per capita the Bay Area is NUMBER ONE in the United States.

San Diego and LA are 14th and 17th, respectively.

I am a native So.Calif. person so I do hope we find a way to regain our economic vitality in the southern part of the state.

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by 415 Native

Actually I'm a moderate and unlike you and your friend I don't obsess over parties. It's obvious you are ONLY for right wing politics, Newsom has nothing to do with issues outside of SF, Dellums has nothing to do with issues outside of Oakland. Boxer and Pelosi are right wing scape goats and cliche right wing tackling dummies to get a rise out of their base. Jerry Brown is bleh but did good things while In Oakland. Typical though that anybody that does not agree with your side is "delusional". How arrogant and condescending.

Actually, I don't have a side. I was a "decline to state" in California from the very beginning of that status and where I am now we don't have to register a party. I've consistently voted both sides of the aisle based upon the policies and the person, not the political party. As a result, I don't obsess over parties as you seem to with your mention of "right wing scapegoats" and "cliche right wing tackling dunnies;" -- clearly shots across the bow of the Republicans.

You clearly missed the point. Trotting out the individuals was a matter of mindset as indicative of regional leanings and similar bad policies, not party. As I've said before, a clean sweep by all of them except, of course, Dellums, will be interesting to watch from afar and, I fear, catastrophic for California as failed and unsustainable policies of the past would only result in a prolongation of the current miasma, or worse.

[415 Native]

Originally Posted by Curmudgeon

Actually, I don't have a side. I was a "decline to state" in California from the very beginning of that status and where I am now we don't have to register a party. I've consistently voted both sides of the aisle based upon the policies and the person, not the political party. As a result, I don't obsess over parties as you seem to with your mention of "right wing scapegoats" and "cliche right wing tackling dunnies;" -- clearly shots across the bow of the Republicans.

You clearly missed the point. Trotting out the individuals was a matter of mindset as indicative of regional leanings and similar bad policies, not party. As I've said before, a clean sweep by all of them except, of course, Dellums, will be interesting to watch from afar and, I fear, catastrophic for California as failed and unsustainable policies of the past would only result in a prolongation of the current miasma, or worse.

The reason I responded like that was because you only name liberals? That is a clear indication of a Republican with a bias. Considering the mess in California is the result of BOTH parties, yet you did not mention that.

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by majoun

Southern California has more than its share of incompetent or just plain messed up politicians as well.

Take into consideration Arnold, Gray Davis, Pete Wilson, and quite a few members of Congress, state legislators, and mayors.

Just take the whole city gov. of San Diego which believe it or not is one of the most corrupt in the nation.

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by Lovehound

All California has become a basket case (which is why this California native is moving out of state, getting out before the big collapse... I hope).

If you Northern Californians are so confident, let's have a trial separation. Let's draw a line (we Angelinos own the water rights of the Owens Valley--Mammoth--Mono Lake watershed, etc. so hands off that) but let's separate with a water agreement, then you can have your Kommunist Republik and we can quit sending you our tax revenue.

But northern cal has the water rights to the Sierra water shed which LA still depends on despite having the rights over the areas you mentioned.