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we all now Japan is full of irresponsible 15-28 years olds committing crime because it has businesses and districts opens after 2 am /s
Oh, and You are a developing addict who needs to get your priorities in order. /s
You're really comparing Japanese culture to that of Americans? It's not the late-night activities that make disorder it's the PEOPLE engaging in the late night activities that make it.
Technically according to the MAPC the youngest average age in the state is in Amherst and yet there's really no push there for nightlife. Retaining young people for what though? Low paid internships? It's not like people go to school in boston and then actually buy a house in boston, the prices are way too high for that and even the suburbs. Other gateway cities sure but it's been awhile since my degrees (AS 2000, BS 2010, MS 2012) but most left afterwards. If someone is on a student visa they can't exactly stay beyond their visa. If they are a H1B they have to always have a job so it's a non starter.
Boston traps people into renting at this point. If you want to go out and drink and go to small concerts and sports that's fine but that gets old after a few years. If they bought back happy hour maybe that could start a bit but saving $4 on a manhattan isn't exactly earth shattering. What's next...bringing back the combat zone? I doubt that. The heavy drinking days is what led to Boston First Night. Dry January was last month..
We also have to keep in mind that the college campuses today and dorms are much better than that of generations ago. So if they want to party where they are what's the incentive to go out if there's no sports or concert that late at night?
If Boston was isolated maybe the argument would hold. It's not hard to get in or out of boston so the idea of scarcity isn't there. Obviously you can sell a major sports or music concert but most beers pretty much can be found everywhere. I like small bars and clubs as well but the scene has changed. https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/11/...gets-makeover/
1) Amherst is a college town, and none of them re concerned with retaining youth. Their economy is built around college kids. It doesn't have to compete with Denver anyway, just Storrs. Its not comparable to Boston.
2) Young people who can work service jobs, work in our tech economy, become teachers, open new innovative businesses, become healthcare workers.
In the Northeast, where birthrates have long been some of the lowest in the country [Only Vermont has a lower birthrate than Massachusetts], the future is now. As the Globe’s Larry Edelman recently reported, Massachusetts has “two open jobs for each unemployed resident,” and the labor pool has shrunk by more than 100,000 since 2019.
3) Happy Hour isn't really about saving on drinks. What I learned in Baltimore is thats kind of how you know your friends and people, in general, will be at the bar. Its how you get people in there to spend money. Its about the people who will be there not the dirnks themselves. With no Happy Hour bars in MA don't have like a meeting time/start time. OS its weird when you go back home and it feels like youre forcing it by going to the bar compared to her where its more of a tradition amongst people in my neighborhood and other neighborhoods. It grounds thigns and makes things feel more logical.
4) Didn't Boston just come 4th in the world for traffic and 2nd in the US? hasnt it also been named the most-congested city in America in the past?
5) College campuses dont allow parties in the dorms like that anymore. Itw ay more policed, monitored, and tame now than in the past. Even my own college is much different when I visit now than in 2012. Back then we were allowed to walk around campus with red cups, and they raffled off liquor and wine at Lunch in the dining hall for special occasions.. There was literally a bar directly under my dorm. None of that exist anymore. I assume the same in Boston
You're really comparing Japanese culture to that of Americans? It's not the late-night activities that make disorder it's the PEOPLE engaging in the late night activities that make it.
goalpost.
Same as we saw with the NJ crime thing. Crime is low in Boston if we allow people to go out and buy expensive drinks or cheap burger for another hour its gonna become an untenable situation? lmao . Fearmonger.
You're really comparing Japanese culture to that of Americans? It's not the late-night activities that make disorder it's the PEOPLE engaging in the late night activities that make it.
Berlin, Germany also had fun all-night activities. Though for them it was just that the clubs open at 8pm or whatever Friday night and stayed open until like 8pm Sunday night. I prefer the Japanese method.
I think that you could ensure people are respectful if there's really careful, strict law enforcement presence in the area as things are starting up. Just for stopping fights and other violent/problematic behavior rather than trying to keep people quiet and looking menacing.
Another difference between both Berlin and Japan and here is in both places is that you're allowed to drink beer in the street. In Japan also it was much easier to find a cheap taxi at night between when the trains close/open. Here, you're looking at $60 for a 2mi uber ride at 2:30am.
Nore pedestrianized nightlife areas would be nice too, so people can mill about and walk around without the fear of getting run over or blocking traffic.
Same as we saw with the NJ crime thing. Crime is low in Boston if we allow people to go out and buy expensive drinks or cheap burger for another hour its gonna become an untenable situation? lmao . Fearmonger.
Yes, because we already know what 0200 brings in parts of Boston. It's not just about general crime rates. In order to use NJ as a comparison one would need to look at all the elements of who, what, when, where. It's not a one to one comparison. Context matters, a lot. Scatterbrained comparisons between Jersey, Berlin and Japan (completely different culture and context in latter 2) don't. Correlative observations don't mean diddly by themselves.
Technically according to the MAPC the youngest average age in the state is in Amherst and yet there's really no push there for nightlife. Retaining young people for what though?
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2) Young people who can work service jobs, work in our tech economy, become teachers, open new innovative businesses, become healthcare workers.
In the Northeast, where birthrates have long been some of the lowest in the country [Only Vermont has a lower birthrate than Massachusetts], the future is now. As the Globe’s Larry Edelman recently reported, Massachusetts has “two open jobs for each unemployed resident,” and the labor pool has shrunk by more than 100,000 since 2019.
Massachusetts is awash in selective colleges, hyper-competitive high schools, and gold-plated resumes.
So you might assume that our biggest selling point would be a school-to-workforce pipeline bursting with highly qualified young people. But you’d be wrong.
In the tech industry, for example, Massachusetts employers posted about 35,000 jobs per month over the past year. Only about 6,000 were filled each month.
the gaps in educational achievement and offerings have grown so vast, they threaten the economy.
“The strength of the highest-performing student scores appears to carry us over this ‘average’ finish line,” notes Ed Lambert, the Executive Director of the Massachusetts Business Alliance for Education, or MBAE. “We’re first, on average. But it’s really a very disparate story.”
Though high-schoolers in some communities overwhelmingly attend two or four-year colleges after graduation — like 90 percent of graduates from Weston High School — that’s not true in lots of other places.
In New Bedford, Chelsea, and Lawrence, for example, the percentage of high school graduates enrolled at any type of college the year after graduation is closer to 30 percent.
And because of these yawning gaps, Massachusetts isn’t producing the workers that innovative companies need — at least, not at the scale that they’re needed.
The struggle for talent has gotten notably tougher, says Tricia Lederer, the director of communications and advocacy at MBAE. “We hear that often from our members and other employers across industries, but particularly in technical fields.”
And throw some serious demographic headwinds into the mix. While Texas and Florida, for example, have attracted new residents over the last couple of years, Massachusetts has seen net losses. MassINC predicts that our college-educated workforce will fall by close to 200,000 by 2030.
Though there are many factors involved — declining international immigration, Baby Boomers aging out of the workforce — the scale of the problem is now so big that there’s really only one solution: education. We have to create much better school-to-career pathways for K-12 students.
Boston routinely comes in the lower half of college grad retention. Do YOu know whos number 1? New York City- the city that never sleeps. Otherr cities also besting Boston? Dallas, Atlanta, Houston. Are we still going to bury our heads in the sand?
Best Large Metros Retention Rate
New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA 71.1%
Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA 70.6%
Detroit-Warren-Livonia, MI 70.2%
Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown, TX 66.1%
San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA 65.2%
Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA 64.6%
Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta, GA 64.2%
Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX 63.7%
Louisville-Jefferson County, KY-IN 63.0%
Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA 62.9%
Worst Large Metros Retention Rate
Phoenix-Mesa-Glendale, AZ 18.0%
Hartford-West Hartford-East Hartford, CT 26.4%
Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News, VA-NC 31.6%
Providence-Fall River-Warwick, RI-MA 31.9%
New Orleans-Metairie-Kenner, LA 33.3%
Rochester, NY 34.0%
Buffalo-Niagara Falls, NY 35.8%
Sacramento-Arden-Arcade-Roseville, CA 37.3%
Austin-Round Rock-San Marcos, TX 38.4%
Oklahoma City, OK 39.3%
[One could try to point to New Orleans but then thatd be extreme hyperbole. NOLA has no last call and is the murder captal of the US with a weak economy and borderline 3rd world conditions]
Yes, because we already know what 0200 brings in parts of Boston. It's not just about general crime rates. In order to use NJ as a comparison one would need to look at all the elements of who, what, when, where. It's not a one to one comparison. Context matters, a lot. Scatterbrained comparisons between Jersey, Berlin and Japan (completely different culture and context in latter 2) don't. Correlative observations don't mean diddly by themselves.
Correlative observations do mean alot. We can simply compare to other US cities who we compete with for grads- which ahs already been done.
Again- do you really think Wu Walsh and others are all behind this so they can personally get drinks at 3 am? What do you think is the larger motivation. I'm curious because you're very bent on this no-change/humans don't like change model that most well-educated folks dont agree with.
If thats the case where do you think the push for liquor license reform, more licenses and a 24/7 downtown is coming from and why is it being entertained financially and politically by people who are over 35? Im genuinely curious as to why you think that is.
Sounds like fun. But I can detect the beginnings of a pretty bad habit. I don’t want to preach but all the loss leader stuff that bars and casinos dish out are meant to have you drink more. Maybe your boss has a stake in the place he buys drinks in. What goes around come around as far as rounds go, if you know what I mean.
lol what? We choose the places... this isn't some 'go here and buy drinks' scheme.
lol what? We choose the places... this isn't some 'go here and buy drinks' scheme.
So, no. I have no idea what you are on about.
His accusing your boss of trying to get you all started on an alcoholic bender or putting you on the path towards substance so he can profit under the table from a local bar is fantastic. Only on CD baby. Only on CD...
Even when I worked at a school in DC we did happy hours in faculty groups with a bunch of 'superiors' You were encouraged to. If people think late-night food and entertainment, bottomless brunches, and happy hours don't play into some people's decisions on where to plop down $3000/month for rent then.....they're being a very naive and overly judgmental.
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. Fearmonger.
