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Old 01-18-2011, 11:58 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Modern smart keys use radio frequencies to let drivers unlock and start a vehicle without fumbling with a key fob. Now European researchers have found such systems can be hacked, letting thieves easily steal your car.

How Hackers Can Use Smart Keys To Steal Cars | TPM LiveWire
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Old 01-19-2011, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Purgatory (A.K.A. Dallas, Texas)
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It's not exactly new news. And it's not easy to do, either. It requires fairly high-end electronic equipment.

But if someone wants your car, they are going to take it.
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Old 01-19-2011, 06:40 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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If you have trouble understanding how this works, go down to the fourth comment from alanzavil, who explains it quite neatly.
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Old 01-19-2011, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Purgatory (A.K.A. Dallas, Texas)
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If you have trouble understanding how this works, go down to the fourth comment from alanzavil, who explains it quite neatly.

It's not nearly that easy.
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Old 01-20-2011, 11:17 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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It's not nearly that easy.
Nothing worth doing is easy.
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Old 01-21-2011, 09:49 AM
 
Location: The beautiful Rogue Valley, Oregon
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Go to the original Jalopnik link ( How Hackers Can Use Smart Keys To Steal Cars ) and read down until you get to the comment from "peptide", who is not quite so impressed.

As noted by comments at TPM and Jalopnik, cars are relatively easy to steal by brute force, with or without a fob. Having a smart key is just a new subset or effort for car thieves.
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Old 01-24-2011, 06:05 PM
 
Location: Cartersville, GA
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99.9% of car theives don't know what a Signal Generator or Down Mixing are, or how to amplify and filter a radio signal. A hammer, crowbar, or tow dolly are much simpler than the diagram displayed on the OP's link. Hackers/theives with the level of technicial expertise needed to break into a car using these means are going to target alarm systems that protect vaults and multi-million dolloars homes. Or they may just steal credit card numbers from the comfort of ther own home. A $30,000 vehicle is simply not worth their time.
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Old 01-25-2011, 11:36 AM
 
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There are essentially two types of car thieves, the thug, who steals old Hondas etc and sells it to a garage who takes it apart and sell the parts and then you have the professionals, who aren't necessarily even car thieves, but people who steal anything with high enough profits. These guys are usually pretty clever, have military backgrounds and know all the tricks of the trade.

I saw a youtube of a guy who broke into and drove away one of the Mercedes that "couldn't be stolen", it took him two minutes, as he said though, that's too long to stand around a door messing around with it, so what they did these days was wait for the driver and get the keys at gun point, far easier and made the car easier to sell too.

Point is: You can never protect your car from the latter group, if they want it. Thankfully, they're few and far between, never car with it's anti theft technology does repel the first group though, and they are far more normal to encounter.
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Old 01-25-2011, 06:24 PM
 
Location: un peu près de Chicago
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Go to the original Jalopnik link ( How Hackers Can Use Smart Keys To Steal Cars ) and read down until you get to the comment from "peptide", who is not quite so impressed.
I think peptide is incorrect. In Active Keyless Entry and Start, the fob code rolls over every time the key is pressed. Usually it is allowed 256 roll-overs before it becomes out of sync with the code in the door lock. The door lock itself, if it does not recognize the original code, will generate the next pseudo-random code in its sequence. It will do this a maximum of 256 times until either (a) it matches the fob code, or (b) it quits and the key can no longer unlock the door lock. In Passive Keyless Entry and Start, neither the fob code nor the door lock code roll over unless they have wireless contact. This prevents the fob code from continuously rolling over when it is out of contact with the door.
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