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Old 09-01-2022, 04:33 PM
 
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With regenerative braking, they won't need as much brake cooling, because the brakes themselves won't provide much of the braking force.



Tesla tires are designed for low rolling resistance, not the weight of the cars.

Tesla's are not race cars. Right now, without one being built, even a prototype, we don't know what they'll need. Though Formula-E probably can give some clues.

Race car tires need to be designed for safety and grip. FAR more stringent on both than a passenger car.

But.. These are good things for a NASCAR-E series to answer. The fact they'll have to be developed is not a negative. Because, again.. What gets tested on the track makes it to passenger cars.
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Old 09-01-2022, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Amelia Island/Rhode Island
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With regenerative braking, they won't need as much brake cooling, because the brakes themselves won't provide much of the braking force.



Tesla tires are designed for low rolling resistance, not the weight of the cars.
Pretty good link on Tesla’s and their tires.

https://electriccarfaqs.com/how-much...la-tires-cost/

At least it has remained pretty civil on this thread, it’s getting pretty much out control on the automotive forum. I hope we can continue to stay the course!

I really think these mandates are what is causing the heartaches. The American public has had a love affair with their automobiles for so long and the best way to bring about change successfully is let technology evolve without mandates.

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Old 09-02-2022, 06:15 AM
 
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.....I really think these mandates are what is causing the heartaches. The American public has had a love affair with their automobiles for so long and the best way to bring about change successfully is let technology evolve without mandates.
Bingo!


This country was founded on freedom of choice, and it's now something that we're gradually slipping away from.
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Old 09-07-2022, 05:24 AM
 
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Bingo!


This country was founded on freedom of choice, and it's now something that we're gradually slipping away from.
And this is probably why the EV subject has become so polarizing. Forcing people to do stuff has never been fully accepted, even when it saves lives...mandatory seatbelt wearing for example.

The NASCAR E-series can help with the consumer EV transition. But it's going to take time.
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Old 09-07-2022, 05:44 AM
 
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And this is probably why the EV subject has become so polarizing. Forcing people to do stuff has never been fully accepted, even when it saves lives...mandatory seatbelt wearing for example.

The NASCAR E-series can help with the consumer EV transition. But it's going to take time.
But the major question still remains.....that is, how do you "fuel" the cars during pit stops? OR, do you cut the length of the races to a distance that the cars could travel, using just the charge of 1 battery?
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Old 09-07-2022, 07:20 AM
 
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But the major question still remains.....that is, how do you "fuel" the cars during pit stops? OR, do you cut the length of the races to a distance that the cars could travel, using just the charge of 1 battery?
I think as Labonte18 has mentioned it will most likely be a separate series.

My take is though why risk diluting the fan base even more with another series and with the COT still needing tweaking why give NASCAR leadership another car to put their hands on.
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Old 09-07-2022, 08:15 AM
 
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No one is talking about them moving to this format, at least not anytime soon. This would be an add-on series, like the truck series or like Formula-E, I believe it is.





Yes.. However.. Yesterday, I drove from Gray Court to Mauldin to Seneca, to Lavonia back to Gray Court.


It did clock in under 250 miles.. But.. Not a single charger along that route there that I know of. Certainly not a supercharger that could have recharged me in a sane amount of time.

Not to mention, that my understanding is that Tesla, at least, requires a subscription to be able to supercharge. You don't pay extra, you're limited to standard charging. I could be wrong about that.

But, anyway.. The infrastructure isn't here yet. I agree, EVs are coming.. But the problems need to be worked out. I can do the above trip on a single tank of gas. Hell, I could have tossed driving over to Abbeville in there as well. And if I didn't have a full tank? No problem, I probably passed 500 gas stations.

I didn't pass a single supercharger. At least, so far as I know.

Not really a subscription. But you simply have your credit card linked to your Tesla account. Which has all the cars you own. So when you go to a Supercharger, you just plug in and it automatically charges the card. The price is location and demand dependent.

I agree the infrastructure isn't quite where it needs to be. The charging times have gong down significantly though. You still can't just drop-in, fill-up and leave like you can with gas. But it's down to about 15 min these days if you hit a v3 charger (as much as 320kwh).

The problem with Tesla today in the US is that there now is a de-facto standard that many companies are going with - CCS. Tesla is also going that way - in fact, newer cars in Europe and Asia are all equipped with CCS ports. However, they haven't begun rolling out those adapters in the US for the Supercharger. And more problematic, current Tesla owners can't use CCS chargers without a retrofit kit. Which isn't available in the US yet (another victim of the chip shortage). Some have attempted a DIY by ordering the parts from N. Korea. But you still need a software upgrade - so not for the faint of heart or non-techie.

So for now, Tesla owners may be stuck with the Tesla chargers only for fast charging. They can also use older J1772 and CHAdeMO chargers, but they tend to be a bit slower (similar to home charging). Not a huge deal, but they can't take advantage of the newer chargers popping up. And in fact, it may actually get worse if Tesla opens up their Superchargers before the retrofit kits are out.

As an EV owner. I love my car and feel they have some great benefits. But I certainly don't agree with the "mandatory" push to phase out ICEs. In the perfect world, I'd want a combination of both.
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Old 09-07-2022, 08:38 AM
 
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In a perfect world corporations would form a consortium so that consumers would not be penalized by their purchases. Case in point, Beta vs VHS, DVD vs Blueray. There are other examples.

I know Tesla was way out front but it would have been nice if all chargers were created equal as with the charging plugs.

Instead of the mandates to phase EV’s in there should be a mandate to promote universal charging systems for all vehicles.
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Old 09-07-2022, 08:49 AM
 
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In a perfect world corporations would form a consortium so that consumers would not be penalized by their purchases. Case in point, Beta vs VHS, DVD vs Blueray. There are other examples.

I know Tesla was way out front but it would have been nice if all chargers were created equal as with the charging plugs.

Instead of the mandates to phase EV’s in there should be a mandate to promote universal charging systems for all vehicles.

I believe Europe is already doing this. I don't know the details, but it's one of the reasons that the iPhone does or is going to support USB-C charging.
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Old 09-08-2022, 06:27 AM
 
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I think as Labonte18 has mentioned it will most likely be a separate series.

My take is though why risk diluting the fan base even more with another series and with the COT still needing tweaking why give NASCAR leadership another car to put their hands on.
Maybe an exhibition series. Run a short race before the Xfinity race, since those races are typically shorter than Cup. Just a few races per year will build momentum if they are exciting to watch.
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